And you’re probably both right, and I agree with you two.
So sample size also matters too, not just SL gain.
This would mark those vehicles that rely on sniping as overperforming.
You can’t do this if you don’t account for ease of penetration of rounds, as some shells trade post-pen damage for raw penetration.
I’m pretty sure they’re well aware that rare event vehicles aren’t comparable to TT ones when it comes to it’s player base, same with vehicles from minor nations. They also use more things than just SL for balance.
While we’re here, we’d like to give some additional context behind Battle Ratings and how they’re decided. Battle Ratings are decided based on how much a vehicle earns, but this is not purely economical.
If a vehicle has high efficiency, it’s outperforming its contemporaries in multiple ways the majority of times it spawns on the map, and as a result may have to be increased in Battle Rating. Whereas a vehicle with low efficiency is not performing well across the board against what it fights, and may be moved down. However this is not purely a data driven process, we often consider additional factors such as the volume of players using a certain vehicle, its lineup, new features that may be altering performance in different ways etc
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Imagine trying to claim the L15A3 is a 10.0 round. LMAO. An APDS with its lack of spall, tendency pen and do nothing or being stopped by a simple track is a 10.7 round to you. LMAO.
And yes, all Chieftains bar the 900 are slow. If you’ve decided on a path on the map, you cannot really intervene somewhere that’s not close by in case you need to. So yeah, they are slow.
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Take a moment to look at the origin of this thread, and the two Vehicles that are Specifically built to snipe being needlessly moved up…
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Please do re-read what we’ve talked about.
Nah. They would stand out as lots of hits / penetrations to targets but very few hits. Easy to spot.
The point of the system is to balance the vehicles, not player actions.
Yes, and that would show up in the number of penetrating hits which didn’t kill the target and the number of penetrations required to kill the target. If a tank is penetrating a target but not killing it significantly more than average then something should change, unless it also survives a load of hits which don’t penetrate which would weight the br decision more towards not moving it.
All factors would be taken into account for the br calculation, along with some sanity checking of course.
Is the system perfect? Of course not, no system is but it would be far better than using average earnings. It would be a huge amount of work for gaijin, and would require a statistics people and probably some data scientists (I loathe that term) but it is truely remarkable the meaning you can tease out of a sufficiently large data set.
If you assume they have more chances to shoot at people while being shot at less.
Player actions and how vehicles are played is directly affected by vehicles themselves.
Your system is biased towards things that do just that and flag them as underperformers, when in reality it’s a simple tradeoff. You’d need to introduce a weighing system for stuff like that, which is the hard part.
As an example:
Average shell for that BR has a 40% chance to penetrate things, but 80% of penetrations result in a kill.
Shell A has a 90% chance to penetrate things, but 40% of penetrations result in a kill.
Your system would see that shell A is dogshit and buff it somehow, probably by increasing it’s damage output which could make it seriously OP at it’s BR, where you’d have nuke-lolpen shell in one.
is worse than 774 actually.
Well, unless I’ve forgotten, there isn’t a single tank with the M774 in Br8.0, 8.3, or 8.7. On the other hand, there are several tanks that use the M111 or equivalent rounds as their best ammunition, even up to Br9.0. You’re comparing two bullets from different eras: the M111 (1978) and the M774 (1980).
By the way, thanks to checking the ammunition and battle ratios, I’ve noticed something funny: both the Shot Kal Dalet and the M60A3TTS have the same battle ratio, but while the Shot Kal Dalet is stuck with the M111, the American M60A3 has the M774 and the Taiwanese one has the DM33. Two things are clear: one, the developers assign battle ratios to tanks in a shameful way, and two, my opinion that the Shot Kal Dalet should have the M413 was correct.
In short, the developers have an immense amount of work to do rebalancing tanks, giving them historical ammunition, and so on, but since it’s so much work, they just forget about it and let things stay as they are, because they need to make easy money with new premium tanks.
Months later, This STILL WAS THE DUMBEST “BALANCE” DECISION YOU HAVE EVER MADE.
The Chieftains were already not doing great at 9.0.
Id have rather you took L23 away from them and let them stay at F-ckin 9.0 than this.
If you REALLY thought a 1950s MBT with some garbage composites, and a dart and LRF is worthy of being 9.3, Why haven’t the T-62M1 or T-55AM’s moved up?
Both of which are tanks that are now STEAMROLLING the lower BRs because the one counter (that being the Mk10 Chieftain) has been stolen away from Allied teams.
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I mean if this is what the Chieftain is Equal too now.
And its going to be stuck fighting THESE
Then Both the 900 and the Mk10 Should get L23A1, OR The Hybrid Round, L26 with the L23A1 Charge.
Along with the 5 second reload from the Challengers. Because they are same basic internal layout.
T-55AM to 9.3?
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What would be appreciated is if your APDS-FS 3BM25 were given the correct 60° penetration, since due to the developers it’s using the penetration of a Br 8.0 tank.The Big problem of T-55AM1 is the Br 10.0 and 10.3.
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Its fine at 9.0, but it should never see 8.7 again. That shit was straight balls to fight in anything bellow 8.3.
Still doesnt change the fact the mk10 should have stayed at 9.0 along with the 900. The 900 is a slightly faster mk5 and its somehow 0.6 above it.
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I have the same problem with some uk vehicles being moved up, first it was the rooikat went from 9.0 to 9.3 and they give it the dm33, like it’s the only vehicle the mk10 could paired with during that time, wondering whose bright idea was that, they rather make the mk10 a forever alone when other nations like ru and China has like a 10 vehicles line up. While I am perfectly ok with 900 and mk10 moved back to 9.0, while they doing that the object 435 can also go back to 8.7, this thing complete garbage
it was 8.3.
That damn thing was the same BR as the Cheiftain Mk3 for YEARS, it was pure pain.
And that was when the Chieftains turret was busted and could be penetrated by garbage like the 906s APHE.
HELL IT STAYED 8.3 FOR A GOOD WHILE AFTER THEY MOVED THE CHIEFTAIN MK3 UP TO 8.7 (the premium one that is)
Better hull armour, LRF, and decent APFSDS too.
But yeah, the Chieftain Mk.10 and 900 were good at 9.0 but below average for 9.3 MBTs.
Probably goes to show how compressed 9.0 - 9.3 currently is.
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It wasn’t that bad TBH the T55AM1s never been that hard to kill ifyou know how lol.
Aye cause the chieftain statistically was doing better than it.
The 900 and Mk10 should both lose the L23 the 900 getting L15A5 (with it’s correct penetrations) and the mK10 getting the L23A1 as that is the correct round.
Funny isn’t it, one slight BR step up ruins the tanks lol.
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Know how?
Any of the Chieftains can click on it in my experience, L15 does not care.
edit: not sure about the T-55AM being 8.3 either, could be wrong but it sounds like fake news, it used to be the same BR as the standard T-55 for the longest time until that moved down to 8.3.
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