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As a note, if anyone cares, the F-7PG was upgraded to be able to carry American AIM-9L/Ms
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FTC-2000 is mentioned in the JL-9 area
Although I might make another section for the G variant
i just want to add that J-13 is also developed based on J-7 fuselage.
It was meant to be one of the Chinese indigenous carrier-based fighter for the project 891 in the case that PLAN failed to procure the T-10K from Ukraine, the other being J-10 modified for carrier ops, taking inspirations from F-16 this fighter never went past mock up stage. Due to fire control radar not being available for it, J-13 was limited to 4 IR missiles and designated a day fighter, the WS-6 engine was being designed for it and in the mean time it will use WP-6 instead, Rolls Royce Spey was considered but deemed under powered(???). Project was scrapped eventually as PLAN managed to get their hands on T-10K.
Paper Variants
J-13I
J-13II
J-13III
J-13IV
the last “improved” J-13
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Before J-13 obviously there were J-11 and J-12 (not to be confused with the flanker J-11).
With the experiences from Vietnam war and especially war in the middle eastern during 1967, PLAAF sends out a new aircraft requirement for a lightweight fighter with superior flight performance which was foreseen as the successor of the J-6 as a fighter and maybe Q-5 in the air-to-ground role secondary. A short takeoff and landing capability and rugged simplicity for easy maintenance in field was demanded.
Two aircraft factories responded this request with to very different concepts: the Shenyang Aircraft Company / Institute 601 proposed the J-11 and the Nanchang Aircraft Factory respectively proposed the ultra-lightweight J-12.
for the J-11 the choices had been narrowed down to three concepts:
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The use of two WP-6III turbojet engines as used in the J-6 or respectively Q-5, which led to the problem of the maximum speed restricted to only Mach 1.75 which was below the requirement.
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The use of a single WP-7III turbojet as used in the J-7, which brought the problem of conflicting specifications like a requested weight limit to 7 tons to ensure the optimal performance and a satisfactory load in terms of maximum armament and fuel to ensure a useful combat radius.
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The use of an indigenous afterburning version of the British “Spey” 512 turbofan engine
Specifications
this third concept was approved because experiments had already been performed with the civilian “Spey” 512 engine. During the following design phase the J-11 developed into an aircraft which had a striking resemblance of the French Mirage F1C(wink wink). It featured a conical radome with a Type 645 or Type 204 Radar, two semicircular side-mounted inlets with a shock-cone centrebody and fuselage that accommodates a single military Spey turbofan engine. The aircraft used high-set sweep-back wings with leading edge flaps and a landing parachute fitted into the rear of tail base. Armament included two 30 mm cannons and in the air-to-air role two infrared air-to-air missiles and when used in the air-to-ground role two sets of rockets or bombs. The survival system comprised a modern zero-zero ejection seat.
The flight performance suggested an impressive climb rate of 197 m/s at 5000 m, a maximum range of 2,300 km and with a typical weight of 8,700 kg a take-off distance of less than 500 m.
Sadly the only available information on the J-11 are from this sheet
But even though officially developments were not linked, the J-11’s development lasted as a real light-weight-fighter during 1967/69 until 1971 whereas the J-13 started exactly the same year (1971/72) until 1981. In mind of the fact that esp. Shenyang re-used everything useful, it’s quite possible to say the J-13 is ‘based’ on the J-11’s design.
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You forgot about the final J-7 variant
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though JL-9 also gets several upgrades, some newest one also reached FTC-2000G standard.
can it carry PL-12 now?
FTC-2000/2000G yes
This list is like Pokemon. Must get them all, I want em!
Holy amazing job by the way, much luv.
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I mean can the JL-9 carry PL-12 now?
GJB289A The data bus should be able to
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No idea if this was already covered anywhere yet, but this is the Vought V-601. It’s not something we could ever see in-game due to just being a proposal, but it’s a neat step in the Fishbed/Fishcan’s history nonetheless…
The idea was Vought would purchase some secondhand Mig-21/J-7s, and heavily modify them into dedicated adversary aircraft
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USA did get J-7’s for training, so close enough, but I’m unsure what was then done with it. Maybe it’s in a museum now
These are different from the Constant Peg J7s/Mig-21s (which is what most know). Afaik the Constant Peg MiGs were kept virtually un-modified, aside from maybe translating some of the instruments. The V-601 was to have a whole-new communications system, as well as other additions (such as an arrestor hook for emergency landings)
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I need the J-7G with PL-8B so I can rip apart shit at 12.3 in air RB, make it premium Whatever I don’t even care
Mig-21 with aim-9L, this is from my nightmares
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Cool J-7 family. I look forward to see them in the game. They can make Chinese TT much more complete and interesting.
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I am flabbergasted XD i did not know there were that many fishcans. My favorite one has to be the Super-7
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