Changes to Bomber Survivability Feedback and Discussion

Shows as well that dedicated incendiary rounds need a higher base multiplier.

I’m not flying a PBJ.

Why would an 88mm be in the Pacific theatre?

Then what are you shooting it with

Also, thats in the pacific? The japanese army replaced the 1928 design 75mm with a 120mm in 1943
And the navy, well, you’re literally only finding 100mm and up on those ships

edit thats a lie a few light cruisers has 80mm

120mm was only present in small numbers and mostly limited to areas near japan; this B-24 was hit quite far away. The only AAA guns left in this location were 75mm, unless you want to argue that instead it was a 25mm AA autocannon.

The plane being used is the Ki-109, and its 75mm is derived from the AAA cannon of the same caliber.

Got a source for the guns present there

It was discussed earlier in the thread. You can scroll up if you want.

since ai seems to be enough for you
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thank you grok

This is also for the most stringent A kill requirements tracked in the report which included killing both pilots and both engines.

Basically the chances are that after 10 rounds of HE 30mm is that either both engines are dead, or one engine is dead and there is a massive fire.

The A kill figure you keep quoting is the one where there has to be a chance of multiple fires and both engines have to be killed. Even the lower figure that doesn’t require compound fire chance still requires both engines to be killed.

Chances of a B-25 surviving 10 rounds of 30mm HE is basically nil.

Oh my god. Ive literally said time and time again that my argument is the bomber doesnt fall apart, not that it necessarily makes it home

currently they are doing both

Ill be damned, that battery was just 75mm spam, ima find the recording and analyze further

I would also argue that it looks more egregious because visual modeling is very light with the damage.

so it makes it look worse.

In the same vein though, if you adjust bomber DMs, fighter DMs will need an eventual adjustment too.

Because you now have DMs basically going into two diffeeent directions now

Alright, took a good look at that video and figured out what happened, want an explanation?

So after taking a look I noticed this very thing happening


We got the B24 flying, and the very next frame

BOOM, but notice this, there is fuel blasting OUT the bottom of the wing next to the fuselage nearly as much as the top. This timed shell went off INSIDE the wing, coincidentally right next to the main spar/into the front quarter of the fuel tank. disasterous

Now, your HE shell goes off on the surface, well, 20cm fuse delay but wt messes that up anyway, so your shell ends up doing this, showering the spar with fragments instead of actually blowing it to hell

But look what happens if I take an APHE shell from that very gun, which has very close amounts of TNT filler (460 vs 490), and shoot it there.

Boom, black spars, wing comes off. BUT the B24s wing detach points ingame arent there, infact they are all the way out here


Not the bombers fault, just gaijins old damage model showing its age


So you’ll need to shoot it out here

And voila, if you get that APHE to fuse, that wing is coming off due to direct spar blasting

I need a guinea pig in a b24, or a guy with aphe on his ki109

Basically if I re create the parameters of this irl hit, WT (if it wasnt the games funny wing section limitation), would’ve recreated that

Though the X ray model of wing spars in this game do not actually represent how big these spars are irl, so this does look ridiculous, but this is supposedly what it actually looks like


More believable this could eat 600g of tnt on the outside but not from within

aircraft in general need some better xray models lmao

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Hoping this also means that the Ju 87s can actually dive without breaking their engines soon

What do you mean by this

This is an issue with .50 cal overperforming he high heaven and back not a damage model issue.

Those incendiary rounds act like thermobaric bombs while a lot of 20mms are generally pointless beyond their AP-T

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Have you not discovered the airbrake?

maybe hes overrevving that db with MEC

Having the engine set to idle and deploying the airbrake before I even turn over and my engine is dying at 530 kmh, despite having an IAS limit of 680 kmh.