Those escorts were useless on Black Thursday.
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They were not.
You have some Luftwaffe footage where pilots slowly clobber B-17s into submission. That’s what happens when there are no escorts around to be worried about.
Do you really think that,'s how these Migs intercepted B-29s?
I bet there is plenty of proof of B-29s tanking several 37mm shells on top of dozens of 23mm, because with so many Migs just casually unloading their weapons with help of gyro gunsights, and so few B-29s getting shot down, it’s obvious there has to be an exorbitant amount of 37mm and 23mm shells that were just shrugged off, right?
And yes, gunners are scary, but gunners alone would most likely NOT suffice.
Meanwhile, there is 0 proof of these B-29s tanking some ridiculous damage.
There’s just this assumption Migs landed a ton of shots.
The assumption is not properly supported by evidence.
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Where are this assume of assumption come from? The whole point is just Black Tuesday is not a good example to indicate post war machine cannon damage potential per shot is higher than that those from WWII.
No second dev server? The great bomber era has begun
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On that particular day a TON of migs fully bypassed the escorts and had free reign on the b29s way longer than they should have, it was a massive failing of US doctrine and tactics sending ripples through the chain of command, an actual disaster, leading to b29s getting paused for 3 months as they figured out exactly what went wrong and how to stop it from happening again, answer? Night bombing
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can’t take it very well since 1/3rd of them never did
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In both war and gaming, keeping morale high is key, so just buy what the poster says and shut up
Update incoming, huh?
Guess since they didn’t really make bombers that vulnerable to fires I’ll abuse the TB-3 lmao
Whelp, this has been a fun (not really) and informational (questionable) past 2500+ messages, but its time to bring this to a close lol
Any changes to bomber damage models is up to the bug reports against Gaijin’s own sources now, best of luck
I for one, am going to call up some old friends who left the game long ago and invite them to some bomber formations like the good old days
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Anyway, I will abuse broken collisions if they don’t patch it.
Arado Akber would be fun lol
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I’m actually looking forward to spading some bombers now, and abusing the Ju-288. They should be very hard to kill which means easy points/kills for them.
I will make sure to be as annoying as possible and abuse their new durability as much as I can
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plkease keep the OG plans u had for this update. bombers deserve to be that hard to kill
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@Smin1080p_WT looking at the a20 premium bombers havoc mk1 Boston mk1 db7, they all have the same engine (s3cg) but havoc mk1 is 1200hp instead of 1050hp unlike the other 2, is the havoc mk1 hp a bug or do the other two need to be set to 1200hp aswell?
Need to buff su24m as well. Its tactical bomber after all
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Arado thunder is so back if it is
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Interesting to see people believing a flying aluminum vehicle is as stiff as a tank. The flying vehicles are subjected to VNE and maximum load per square area. The damage dealt to the spars decreases the vehicle’s tolerance against those factors. Maneuvering fighters are more susceptible against damages during a combat because they demand harsh maneuvers. Bombers tend to operate on medium speed + consistently low AoA. That adds to the bomber survivability “Relative to fighters”. Also this game does not have a proper fuel leak and fuel vapor. If this game had Adjustable AoA limiter in flight, it’d make more sense.
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I personally love this change. Not only because I don’t get shot down by a stray 20mm anymore, but fighting bombers is FUN again.
I tested it with the Do-335 and determined that what you have to aim for is dependent on the ammo you choose. With HE ammo (primarily the German mine-shells) you want to shoot the rudders off, with AP you go for engines and crew. As far as I can see, the SAP from the 30mm is the worst shell against bombers, but that might only be against the B-29. During that test, I also managed to set the bombs off with the HVAP from behind, so that’s another angle you can try.
Note on AP: During battles, I managed to kill the pilots of a Sterling from behind with the Do-335s cannons. This new damage model gives an actual purpose to AP now, in more than one way.
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