Changes to Bomber Survivability Feedback and Discussion

[HooFnET]

[Kefal_Bravo_690]

Btw, why are everyone using the B-17, one of the most rigid bomber in WWII. Test fly with G4M1 and complain when it turn out to be as strong as B-17.

[FlipAllTheTables]

Simply put it the B-17 is one of the planes with the most possible information about it so it’s easy to make comparisons.

[RoyalWaffles]

B17 was just like the most shot bomber of ww2, most data to look at, also the japanese burned most of their documents at the end of the war

[HooFnET]

I think they even think these images are AI-powered or something LOL They’re still denying it.

Oh no I do same mistake again I answered again, oh god I can’t control mysel

[RoyalWaffles]

AI just gave me the tool to figure out how big the hole should be, and i took care to scale my red dots properly, which nobody has disputed that theyre undersized or oversized via pixel measurements

[Kefal_Bravo_690]

There should be tons of US gun cam from Pacific. What I learned from Pacific report is they can be easily shot down by 12.7 cm

[RoyalWaffles]

What are japanese planes NOTORIOUS for?

Fire.

Is there claims or footage of these 12.7mms flat out cutting off a wing outright?

[FlipAllTheTables]

It is important to note that the Mk 108 Incendiary round does have some explosive charge, so yes it is capable of making holes.

Here it is, the “Minen-Brandgranate”, or mine-incendiary shell

“Sprengladung”, if I’m not mistaken, is explosive filler.

Obviously the holes will be smaller, the filler is lesser.

[PercussionCap]

@BRCompression

But that does not change the fact that most of those examples are not specifically bomber problems; they are War Thunder problems.

I shoot any other plane’s fuel tanks. There is a very high chance that even a single hit, with a cannon, will set that fuel tank on fire.

I shoot the dev bomber’s fuel tanks 600 times. Nothing happens.

It’s a bomber issue.

@RoyalWaffles

Buddy that looks like a control surface

If it is a control surface… where’s the balance tab?

@FlipAllTheTables

Like, actually, who came up with the settings that fuel tanks have now? Looking at the datamines a direct 75mm HE round hit has about a 23% chance to set a fire.

That explains a lot actually lol

@RoyalWaffles

The 110g2 didnt even have forward facing MGs

The nose (and by extension the armament on it) is interchangeable.

@FlipAllTheTables

It gets posted like every year or so with someone saying that it is a B-17 tanking 30mm rounds. Now it’s a 37mm round which is more outlandish.

every time it gets posted the caliber goes up by 1mm

it’s like inverse A6M Zero compression speed, anytime it is discussed it goes down 1mph

@Gnza10091441

You can clearly see:

• 3 hits on the left wing
• 1 hit on the right wing
• 1 hit on the horizontal stabilizer
• 1 hit on the tail cone

@Gnza10091441

Despite taking a 30mm hit right next to the spar root, there was no lethal damage

Given it’s not 4-5 hits in a relatively small area, it makes sense it was not brought down.

@RoyalWaffles

This 3-5 mk108 to down a fortress claim thats been tossed around so much doesnt even mention WHERE its being shot,

me when I can’t read

[RoyalWaffles]

Nobody said it cant make holes, my equation was reponsible for actually figuring out how big the hole from that carge would be

[HooFnET]

Didn’t the Japanese burn all the documents after the war? I wish we had the opportunity to read their documents too.

[Spil1tia-psn]

If they were infact brought down easily by 12.7s and they are shrugging off hundreds of rounds of 20mms in game what might that say about the realism of this change?

[FlipAllTheTables]

For some reason the WT forum deleted the fact I was replying to this comment. @RoyalWaffles

[RoyalWaffles]

If the nose is interchangable find the documentation of that specific 110 from that squadron on that day being sent up with which armament, im driving home now, stay tuned

[RoyalWaffles]

Forums may be having a stroke after 2100 messages of this absolute disaster

[PercussionCap]

@HooFnET

Didn’t the Japanese burn all the documents after the war? I wish we had the opportunity to read their documents too.

We don’t have documents, but there’s a good number of pilot testimonies. I posted a translation of one above who engaged B-29s with a Ki-61.

@PercussionCap

I remembered I had a scanned copy of Famous Airplanes Of The World: Ki-61 on my computer. There’s a section outlining its use against the B-29 which is very relevant here.

It has been translated. It’s not perfect but still perfectly possible to understand.

And a photo of a pilot that has shot down several B-29s with this plane - apparently he was the instructor of the pilot providing the above testimony.

These are Ki-61-I Hei and Tei models being used, which had just two 20mm cannons and two 12.7mm machineguns. And yet they were deemed EFFECTIVE in shooting down B-29s.

Also note the strategy used at night: get behind the B-29 and shoot in bursts until it is on fire. Once on fire it was certain to come down.

Currently all of this is impossible in the dev server.

@RoyalWaffles

find the documentation of that specific 110 from that squadron on that day being sent up with which armament

Don’t feel like it. You can ask your AI council to do it instead so we can all laugh at it.

[Kefal_Bravo_690]

Treating the best case scenario as average is a statistic problem. It would invalidate user feedback regarding this topic.

[RoyalWaffles]

“Dont feel like it” = I cant prove it and dont want to admit it. L

[FeetPics]

Official documents are fake bro.

Germans lied in their own documents because they knew they were going to lose the war but they wanted to win at War Thunder.

@Kefal_Bravo_690

Where the rocket in the video hit was exactly:

Multiple rockets hit in the video. Read the actual historical documentation as well.

@BRCompression

Funnily enough, you can’t blindly trust either.

You have modern examples of military claims being false or misleading, like Russians making questionable claims about T-90M reverse-speed upgrades in that one case, and I seriously doubt there have never been fake, misleading, staged, or misrepresented historical photos either.

So you can’t trust anything.

Why are the Germans doctoring their own testing? Did they make a giant fabric covered He.111 vertical stabilizer just to make their HE rounds look more impressive in internal testing?

Or is it more likely the the AI bot that our little buddy is using is spitting out bad information? And that our little buddy is just arguing in bad faith?

Guy doesn’t know what a vertical stabilizer looks like and thinks microfilm reels are actual motion pictures. This is in spite of posting one himself but because AI didn’t highlight it for him he doesn’t know that and because AI didn’t spoon feed him the idea he can’t even discern it.