Changes for Su24m

I am going to make a new post addressing the SU-24M because last time anyone who talked about it was 1 year ago.

Here is the link to the discussion that was a year old if anyone is interested:

I just got the Su-24 is horrible to play, I have seen the other post which where made to suggest it being move down to 10.7 or 11.0 which I can totally agree due to how it performs right now, at least for air battle, and I do understand the argument which were made to all attacker aircraft generally which is that they would never perform well in air battle, which is why I think it should rather be moved down the 10.7 or replace the original 4x R-60M in the end of the modification with 4 R-73 instead and give 4 R-60M to players as stock.

Here are some sources which supports my point:
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Solution 1:
Due to sources that says and mention The Su-24M can not carry R-73 if it have not went through electronic upgrades, I suggest if player wanted to get the R-73 they must unlock the SU-24M2 modification first before getting R-73 due to historical accuracy, which I think the SU-24M can have all the reason to stay in 11.3 or even 11.7, but I think personally staying in 11.3 is not too bad with 4x R-73 as it is basically a faster Su25Bm, T or 39 and carries 2 more R73 in the trade off of flares. This can also be another reason to move the SU-24M in GRB to 11.7 but I think its not going to make much difference. So it would look something like this:

Solution 2:
Move the SU-24M to 10.7, it have only 24 whole counter masseuse and 4 Air to Air missile maxed also being the worst at 11.3, lets compare to other aircraft like the SU-17M4, SU-22M2, MIG27, SU-25BM and SU-25T which is basically the same as SU-39 in ARB, SU-17M4 gets 6 R-60M and 256 countermeasure while being 0.3 BR lower also have a higher top speed compare to SU-24M which is the same for the SU-22 because they are basically the same thing which you can also say the same for MIG-27, all the 11.0 or 11.3 SU-25 all have access to 4 missiles which 2 of them are R-73s and all have access to 160-256 counter measure being in a BR lower or the same BR. Or if anyone reading this is not familiar with Russian aircraft I’ll use NATO ground attacker as a example, F111A(10.3) which is way faster than SU-24M gets 7 Aim-9Bs access to 52 countermeasure , F111F(11.7) also faster than SU-24M gets 6 Aim-9L which are way better than R-60M, access to 180 countermeasures, Tornado IDS (event and premium 10.0, tech tree 11.3) have higher top speed more countermeasures, have 2 less missile but better at flare resistance and while being in a lower or same BR. I do not understand why SU-24M is still at 11.3 ARB when is completely worst than all the aircraft above mean while it can face fighter jets like Mirage F1 which can carry Magic 2s which is why I suggest it should be moved down to 10.7 as it makes it more playable as in 11.3 players rarely gets down tier (even in a full down tier something like a J-7D is more than capable of taking it out), also being at 10.7 won’t be overpowered as something like the regular SU-25 and SU-25K (10.0) are already at which carries R-60M as well.

The reason why this thing is still suffering at 11.3 or any other strike aircraft which is having the same fate is because the dev doesn’t play the game themselves and just say yeah this will do fine in this BR and just leave it there to rot, this is why rarely anyone plays the SU-24M or any strike aircraft in general because the experience is horrible, I hope the DEV actually look and take their time to read this and actually make the game more playable and I do understand this game is not suppose to be “fun” as it is super grindy, but please make small changes like this that players would like to see.

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It should be 11.0 at most IMO, and 10.7 might be pushing it for an R-60M capable supersonic. I think if it were to get R-73s, there should be a separate and foldered version with them.

It gets 96 when spaded.

It’s an awful plane and it’s 10.7 in air RB. It should be 10.3 or even 10.0 tho. Also 2 R-60Ms > any amount of Aim-9Bs.

These are the GRB BRs, and they are all 11.3 or 11.7 in air RB. The 11.7 ones are overtiered for the same reasons the Su-24 is.

10.3 in air RB.

True, and it’s also because they balance off of SL earnings, meaning bombing bases well can push planes up in BR. The same happened to the F-104s, TT tornados, and many other ground attack aircraft.

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support for Additional R73 to him

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If the Su-24M got 4x R-73s it would join the Tornado GR4 and Tornado ASSTA3 SLE at 12.3. It would not remain at 11.3 (in ARB) with 4x IRCCM on a supersonic platform.

As for 10.7 in its current state… No. It would mean subsonics would have to go lower and they cannot. 11.0 would already be pushing it quite a bit

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i think it should be put at 11.7 maybe 12.0 if they give it r-73 tho

You have Tornados with 2x Aim-9Ls at 11.7…

12.0 would be pushing it, but maybe.

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except it does not have anything that would make it equal except the missiles, it is worse at being an air rb bomber

supersonic is a strong word for the 24M, very strong word

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yea and the a-10c at 11.7 with 4 aim-9m and the su-25sm is at 11.7 with 2 i think it would be ok a that BR tho tbh

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well in this case, I said they shouldn’t add the R-73 and instead just move it down to 10.7, I think thats the best option, but I do totally agree with you, also when you are not spaded is very painful like the situation I am in right now

well 4 R-73 while your top speed just hit mach 1 is not very idea expeically when you are gonna face something like the hornet or f16, also R-73 can be found in vehicles like the Su-25bm which is 11.0, I believe is the lowest br vehicle which have access to R-73E, but however it only get 2 of them along with 2 R-60mk because the Bm is a export, also tornado is much faster and is built as a fighter/ strike aircraft unlike the Su-24 which is a strike bomber which basically is not built for any air to air combat in any means, giving it R-73 and putting it in 11.7 is already very harsh for it expeically when you are stock only with 4 R-60M if the dev actually change it which is basically useless and won’t get you any air to air kills if the enermys are acutally some what aware of you, and also the su24 can not dog fight so basically early games you gonna get farmed over and over again when you are trying to bomb bases

honestly I was thinking 11.7 because anything in the 12.0 bracket is gonna make the Su-24 unplayable since it is slow chunky and have barley any countermeasure, also remind you Su25bm which is 11.0 gets 2 R-73E so I would say 11.7 would be the max br it should be if it gets R-73

Moving the Su-24 down is probably the best choice, R-73s would end up doing more harm than good with the hilariously bad performance of the plane. Like, people say the tornado is a brick? They’ve never known what a brick is until they try the Fencer. I’d honestly give up the R60Ms for 10.7 ARB BR, it’d be that worth it.

R-73 moves it to 12.3.
Su-24M at 10.7 would be OP for its purposes. 4x R-60Ms on a supersonic airframe, a very fast fighter-bomber.

Su-17M4 is a worse fighter-bomber than the Su-24M, I know it’s weird.

F-111A is slower than Su-17M4 which is slower than Su-24M.