Damn we really life rent free in your head lol, guess the truth is really triggering.
Anyway I’m not going to derail this thread about that. I was just hoping to find new Challenger 3 pictures here.
it is what it is in the game, i couldn’t care less
I’m moving to ARB.
Notice how the round spalls and kills your crew.
Do that to the T-80 and crew survive.
Its insane that Gaijin have made the most cramped tank in service the most survivebale for the crew.
Still waiting for proof LMUR has a Top attack profile
And Mi 28 can carry 8 of them…
I think I raised this in the Russian Bias thread
The fact most western tanks are bigger and ‘empty’ space makes the smaller tanks more survivable
Well i mean the main reason is that russian tanks get treated like this: Russian Bias in 2026? - #5174 by Jεcka
And western tanks get things like the arbitrary implementation of the turret baskets.
I know I’m spamming this thread with videos, but I think I’d be better off using a Chieftain Mk10 at 12.0
That’s the wonderful thing about this game, that you have to aim at a point where if you shoot a millimeter higher the shot doesn’t penetrate, while another person shoots you randomly and lets RNG kill you.
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I’ve not touched GRB in about 4 months and wouldn’t touch it again anytime soon except for the event vehicle to grind soon-ish. For that I’m probably only going to play 9.3 or 10.3. I just don’t see any meaningful reason to play anything higher at the moment
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Yeah my aim in the clip was nothing to write home about, just thought id rush a shot in (maybe DM53 would of penned idk)
But yeah, fighting T-series stuff is so much harder than big Abrams/Leopards imo
The truth is, I would have done the same, since I personally don’t think a T-80U with Kontakt 5 could stop a bullet like the DM53. I would be more cautious with Relikt, but well, we already know that the Soviet ERA is magic.
Not like DM53 is designed to penetrate K5 armour found on the T-80U tanks…
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Quite. Then you consider the considerable photo gallerys showing a number of wrecked hulls with neat holes punched through them.
The Ukrainians aren’t using the latest darts either…
One has to ask if 1980/90s ammuntion is plinking through K5 and Relikt - just how much the advertised kinetic protection actually is afforded in the real world?
Suspicion - not as much as the sales brochure (and thus Gajin) claims.
The DM53 is from 1998, while the Kontakt 5 is from 1985. I dare say that a bullet 13 years newer than that armor would be optimized to easily penetrate armor from 13 years prior.
In any case, it’s clear that the bullet penetration in this game is somewhat questionable, such as the Soviet 3BM25, which doesn’t have the 60° penetration it should, or the 105mm DM63 having marginally better penetration than the DM33. I think there are some variables that the game’s penetration calculator omits, and that, to a greater or lesser extent, would change the penetration values.
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Fairly certain both DM53 and L27A1 are designed around ERA perforation, whether they could counter K5 im not sure, but probably would be more effective than they are currently
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You said it yourself, if they are bullets designed to counter ERA, it means that they should at least be able to penetrate Kontakt 5 without problems, since previous ERAs have practically no protection against KE, so that anti-ERA improvement of the APDS-FS was based on being able to nullify the effectiveness of Kontakt 5 as much as possible.
I can see L27A1 struggling, being an older round, but yeah, DM53 probably barely even notices the ERA
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well we illegally got T80U from russia to test K5 during the development of L27A1 and it was stated i think that L27A1 could reliably pen the T80U front so one of them is either over performing or underperforming or both
This is what it says when you search using Google’s AI:
The L27A1, also known as CHARM 3 (Challenger Armament 3), entered production and service with the British Army in 1999.
The round was designed and manufactured by Royal Ordnance (now Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land (RBSL)) specifically to defeat advanced heavy [Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA)] on the Challenger 2’s L30A1 rifled gun.
I don’t know if it’s 100% correct, but being a bullet from 1999, I wouldn’t rule out that what it says is real due to the simple evolution of weaponry.
Oh, its newer than I thought, I thought was late 80s, early 90s it was developed. woops.
Then yeah, would not be surprised if it was at least able to partially counter R5 enough to take out the tank below