I find hilarious Ajax is eating so much budget because it’s a modified existing platform in the ASCOD. You’d think it would make things cheaper. Should of just stayed with modernising the warrior as atleast that platform didn’t vibrate its crew to death
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Well, they also had another way to go. BAE made CV90… But no, we will go the hard way. Also if the thing you create does not break at least 3 times you are doing it wrong
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Due to the incompetent operation of the Ministry of Defence, the Imperial Army will be stuck without infantry fighting vehicles in the future after the retirement of the FV510 and will rely on the. 50 machine gun of the Boxer APC against the BMP3 infantry fighting vehicles from Russia
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Agreed. In fact in my (armchair general) opinion the biggest issue is the hull. The turret they couldve just slapped on an 120mm smoothbore and blowout panels in the back where the penetrators are already stored.
In fact, the whole car design has problems (the effective protection of the vehicle is completely disproportionate to its 62.5 tons of weight), first of all, the huge hole in the middle of the hull front and the 80 mm protection design of the lower part of the hull front, the layout of the ammunition in the car is probably only the Ram this “second generation tank” design can be compared with it
Its bad by NATO standard in my opinion, mostly I’m disappointed by the fact that its taken this long to solve just some of the issues that existed. Better than most tanks the UK can expect to be facing but given its role and cost I fail to see how something like a CV90 would not do the same job for cheaper.
This is actually caused by the incompetent master of the Ministry of Defence unwillingness to give up the sinking cost to end this “clown” project. If they can close this project in time, the budget saved is enough to upgrade the FV520 infantry fighting vehicle or purchase CV90 variants to meet the needs of armoured reconnaissance vehicles. Unfortunately, the ruthless reality laughs at everyone. It’s sad.
The MoD cause most (if not all) issues with the British Defence Sector.
In my opinion they should use the clause for the Ajax Hulls being unsuitable to cancel the order and get the investment back, then they can buy the CV-90 FRES or whatever new CV-90 looks good to be honest.
It might just be me but Ajax doesn’t even look good on paper?
You know that when a thing gets withdrawn 3(it seems like there was a 3rd time, in september, it was put on hold) times it also does not look good irl.
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There is no problem with your feeling. It’s really not good.
Isnt the Ajax mostly finished and arnt a few already in the hands of the army?
And is Cr3 finnished and handed to army? Not that it has to do anything with Ajax handing out, just a comparasion.
Mostly finished and I think its with a few units for testing, but AFAIK it hasn’t reached IOC, equally they can reject the hulls they have received as they still were not acceptable and up to the standard of the contract. Which in my opinion they should do. plus I think there’s still what 6 major issues left to fix of the 30-odd they started with.
I don’t care how stupid it makes the MoD look (we all already knew that), there are better options and they have a way out of the current subpar one.
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I mean that even if it was at its peak perfect according to the manufacturer specification, its still worse than a CV-90 or Redback.
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In 2023, the British Minister of Defence revised the initial combat capability (IOC) schedule of Ajax and defined it as the deployment of “a well-trained and deployable squadron”. The newly revised IOC plan will be realised between July 2025 and December 2025.
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lol
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And that makes me wonder why why they keep pushing into it (a pile of s***) instead of taking a proven design, and in extreme scenario taking for example CV90 (that BAE has full rights to, or at least a big share of them as a designer and manufacturer) and modifying it to the MoD needs…
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They actually pulled that during the original deal, BAE unveiled FRES and the MoD didn’t bite, so they said they’d get domestic manufacturing, maintenance and modification, Hagglunds kicked off, BAE pulled the ‘subsidiary be quiet’ card, and the MoD still didn’t bite…
They’re heavily dumb, particularly as we could’ve built the entire CV-90 here in the UK at a new facility, so whatever cost-differences there might have been, would’ve been offset by both domestic manufacturing and all the economic benefits that go with it, plus new technological know-how, as well as further export potential.
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And even with that, due to RBSL (that work on 2 other pillars of the UK army, Boxer and Cr3) you can take Rheinmetall to help with all the things (and it is ironic, as Rhein makes Ajax turret)
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Can we please not mention Aja… gags…
Some people suffer genuine medical distress when that thing is brought up.
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