Challenger 2 Overhaul

The moderator is absolutely incorrect. Both TES and QES we currently have in game use the same add-on armour kit.

We have all disgusted in great details but the developers just completely ignore all our information and we honestly got the feeling that they didn’t understand what we were meaning when we are discussing that TES and QES add-on armour kit on the side of the hull is multi layered and not just 1 big block.

Both TES and QES side hull add-on armour is made up of 3 layers technically 4 layers.

Layer 1 - From the drivers side of the hull to the start if the engine bay is a 80mm composite armor backplate with 40mm RHA covering the engine bay hull side.

Layer 2 - 200mm VAMAR composite block.

Layer 3 - ASPRO HMT NERA/ERA tiles attached to the front of the VAMAR block’s.

Layer 4 - technically there is a 4th layer a thin rha cover.

With what we currently know on ASPRO-HMT and the VAMAR composite block. The side hull should be essentially immuned to all tandem warheads currently in game and at least 40mm APFSDS rounds because the VAMAR block from what we currently know is able to stop 30mm apds by itself and ASPRO HMT can stop 25mm apfsds on its own. So going of that at absolute minimum it can stop the best 40mm apfsds in game. From current information and calculations and numerous bug reports.

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Challenger 2 can also launch fire-and-forget missiles
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awww the Streetfighter II… it can also carry a dog ;-)
hope the chally´s are getting somewhen a little bit love…
but would be awesome seeing the Streetfighter II ingame…

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The United states?

Meanwhile china is extemely good after about 8.0, i absolutely love the top tier lineup and 11.0s.

Ans japan as well is pretty damn strong as of next patch.

Finally.

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5 second reload one of the best rounds in the game on one of the best armoured platforms with high levels of mobility…USA has it rough brother

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Best top tier light with the HSTVL as well😂

Amazing cas and more than enough choices.

I love the abrams man tbh

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Tricky bit is getting undeniable evidence that it actually fired a single Brimstone. Not that I would expect them to add it even with 100% undeniable evidence.

Would be very cool to have, but not something im anticipating anytime soon. Would also be worried the Dozer blade getting locked behind the SF2 for no good reason. Meaning we’d have basically a base CR2 with just a dozer blade and a different skin and nothing else. Would fix basically nothing. They like band-aid bodge jobs and they usually dont work (look at the CR3TD)

Proof in a certain place with these things fired off the back of pickup trucks leads me to believe it very much possible.

Don’t let them catch you saying that, you’ll be crucified for being right.

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Not saying it isnt possible. Britian I think is buying ATGM slinger with them called the Ajax Overwatch but rather were they explicitly ever live fire or even live fitted to a Challenger 2. From the videos on the SF2 I’ve seen, it does say mockup. Which is enough for the soviets, but not enough for anyone else unfortunately

Sadly it cant. This was a mockup.

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Really depends. Can’t think of too many examples of mock ups making it into their tree aside Derivatsiya’s AP round and the Kh38MT which is claimed to exist in brochures. Which have facilitated changes (positive and negative) to other trees as well. There are/were (can’t research, still can use if you have them) also the mock ups in the Kraut tree at low levels. If the aim is to point to inconsistencies, there are better ways than claiming

And whilst I don’t like the 141 being added it is not an example of a mock up, technically it was all there, the platform was airworthy and the weapons were made compatible with un-flightworthy versions. This one is a double standard for other reasons. The mock ups problem does present itself in the boats though, but that’s really an issue with how they manage that side of things. Would still be nice if they’d apply such favourable modeling of boats to others tho.

Short and long of it:
It is far more productive for all involved to complain about actual faults instead of perceived inconsistencies. Far easier to argue to oppose inaccurate assessments and derail stuff instead of discussing proper issues.

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And kh38mt to…

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To be honest i’d use SF2 if it were added… like a lot
It’d be the offense to the BN’s defense, since brimstones hit like an absolute freight train and come from an absurd angle. Catch is knowing WT’s missile guidance and gaijin’s weird insistence on ignoring FCS mechanics, keeping the laser nicely on target would be pretty damn hard.

(And obviously we’d never get fire and forget ordinance)

If they gave the Challengers a ready rack buff and even a slight reload buff to 4.5 seconds i would be content. Anything else is a bonus.

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if proof it fired a Brimstone could be found then, yeah so would I. Even in a SAL form, it could be useful, theyd have to add some form of tpod lock on for it. But at the moment, I think it would just be a Dozer blade equipped CR2 and then the other CR2s wouldnt get a dozer blade as a result. Which would be a shame

I’d be content with anything at this point… It’s getting a bit absurd. Any given improvement is a plus.

No reason we can’t just get an IRST-esque sensor with the band set to laser point (forgot which one it is exactly in the code) and tracking ground targets enabled… But then that’s “FCS”, which is why i mentioned how gaijin doesn’t want that.

No proof 2S38 ever fired FSDS - it’s only been shown beside it - but here we are.

This is what is so infuriating. I dont think we are actaully asking for anything overly unreasonable

Yeah… Likewise KH-38MT is just a mockup.

But anyway. Its not a hill I plan to climb, let alone die on.

Ready rack fixes, engine buffs, Spall liners and dozer blades I think are all extremely reasonable battles to fight for

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Dont forget the side applique that was discussed a while back, but can’t really be reported due to a lack of clear images with sideskirts removed.


Can also be seen here at t=352

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