How am i incorrect?
No no no I’m saying that as an example in comparison to what i wrote lol, those are the kinda replies you can get from them lol
You do but still, human is human. And not everyone have the best temper. At least one thech mod is known for their bad attitude (i forgot nickname)
Oh i see. I read it like you typed it to me. I guess it worked lol
Probably gunjob… That guy is ruthless ;D… At actioning reports <3
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Perfect example i guess lol, instantly had you on edge lol
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Nice, it seems to me like a bug report. So either that person has something, or it will go nowhere
This was calculated based on the penetration in the game.you can also see it for yourself.
L26
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L23a1
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Yea, but it will go nowhere. Gaijin need sources, not calculations. They will just say that they made it stronger due to ballance and end the topic. And that will be true, as L11a5 and L30a1 are currently nearly the same gun in game due to lack of data.
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They said it’s not a mistake
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The British must suffer
I will refrain from commenting bout it
bad news
L27A1 as a consequence of being two piece has one of the shortest penetrators at top tier. it wont get any better.
While I support all these changes and hope Gaijin implements them, I cannot grasp what UK mains think. The Chally 2 is unfortunately one of the less capable if not lethargic MBTs of the 20th century. It has large armor weaknesses such as the lower plate (no amount of ERA/NERA will improve that) as well as the mantlet pictures clearly showing gaps with no additional armor.
Charm 3 is one of the shortest APFSDS in modern service if not the shortest, resulting in lackluster pen compared to the long rods of DM53, 829A2/3/4, OFL F1 etc. Its unfortunate but the Chally 2 will likely never have a dominant role in WT both for how it is implemented doctrinally irl and how its characteristics translate to the game.
Chally 2 is the result of the UK MOD refusing an import tank and it suffers as a result. Keeping UK defense jobs on the isles instead of partnering with a continental ally or USA.
Even if all that is true, and I dont think it is true as there has been plenty of evidence submitted to contradict that. There are areas that can be buffed.
Such as:
- Changing the 7.62mm MG for a 12.7mm HMG
- Correcting ammo placement
- Correcting Crew positions
- Increasing fire rate (current fire rate is entirely fictious and is a balancing decision not fact)
- Increase ready rack size
There are also several missing features not currently modeled in WT. Such as:
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Regenerative steering. Whilst yes this would improve most tanks, it wouldnt be an even buff. From what I understand, the heavier the tank, the greater the buff. It would help close the gap
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Shell Perforation. Most, if not all modern NATO shells are designed to counter Soviet/Russian ERA. This is not currently modeled. This means that the ERA on certain tanks like the T-80BVM are entirely and completely impentrable. This is not the case IRL and fixing this would greatly improve game balance
But there are undeniable areas where CR2s are underperforming. The TES for example lacks the ERA to defend against an RPG currently. It should be highly resistant to AGMs and have a level of protection not far of the T-80BVM. It doesn’t. There are several areas of the CR2s armour that has been reported incorrect with evidence, such as the ammo storage areas (bug list can be found here)
There is also the wider issue to consider. Britain may have 5 MBTs at top tier, but that is basically all we have. Improving the overall TT, Including improvements to our other trees would greatly buff Britain in GRB without even touching the CR2s and the current empahsis of CQB is designed to only benefit Soviet tanks and IFVs. The few remaining long range maps, the CR2 does well on, but they are slowly being deleted from the game, so Gaijin actually making an effort to design maps more fairly would help greatly too
Britain is never gunna be meta, and we may never really be that strong, but I think there is a perfectly reasonable expectation that it should at least be playable. Currently they are not 11.3/11.7 worthy MBTs and likely need a BR decrease if they are unwilling to fix the CR2s
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Oh no. Well there was an attempt
I will be honest. I do not want Cr2 to be top dog, flying around killing everything while ignoring the returning fire. I just want a competetive tank that is accurate to irl. And let me tell you, comparing technologies used irl and ect, in WT now is the time where Cr2 should be the strongest, stating getting outclassed by other newer mbt in the future. But it is outclassed now, meaning it will never have the time to shine.
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You cannot deny that CHARM 3 is underperforming in game though. Multiple primary source documents state it is superior to M829A1, while in game it is worse. In addition L27A1 is a significantly larger round than L26, but in game both weigh exactly the same at 4.3 kg.
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All of those sources also plainly state the requirement is in RHAe, which is not perforation against a semi-infinite steel block (hence why “equivalent”) with a thickness of +/- 700mm, but of a special composite armour that should be providing an equivalent protection to it, secondly, CHARM 1 was only able to achieve ~625mm perforation against RHA at an angle of 74.9 degrees, much less than that at 60 degrees (which is likely what we’re looking at for in that document, but if so, they’re underselling DM43 [which is what i’m assuming to be used there as a comparison]), and if that’s the case… how? CHARM 3 isn’t nearly long enough to give such a massive increase in performance over CHARM 1 against semi-infinite RHA, and it’s highly dubious that they’ve managed to fire it off at velocities higher than the French managed with OFL F1.
Additionally, if we apply RHAe requirements to all projectiles in the game, suddenly and magically, all of Wehraboo’s dreams about “muh 1000mm pen DM53!!!” will come true.
It’s obvious L27A1s weight is wrong per the statcard, but that’s a separate problem.
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