Making a full suggestions seems like an awful lot of effort for bait.
You have the quotes but not the sources… might want to amend that so people don’t say you are making things up. I don’t think I’m being hostile at all, just saying provide sources.
Arguing on the forums is just stupid, it really doesn’t matter if its bait or not though, if people don’t agree they will make their opinion heard. But again for bait this seems like a lot of effort, and again baiting people who arent even arguing that the 2A4M should be in the UK tree, rather people who just say it could.
As I said to Godvana, suggestions are up for it to come to both countries, gaijin will decide where it goes. It wont come for a long time, especially after what they did with the Cr3TD
Where in this paragraph says it, that there is a official requirement from Germany for a new tank with a 130mm gun?
You do realize that the article discouses what the next Tank could be right? It isn’t even sure on the Naming, if it’s Leo 3, MGCS, Leo 2AX, Leo 2A8 that’s how unsure we are to this date so no, there is no official requirement.
“Einen solchen Kampfpanzer dann noch Leopard 2 A9, A10, oder Leopard 2+ zu nennen, wäre dann genauso konsequent, als hätte man zur Einführung des Leopard 2 diesem den Namen Leopard 1+ verpasst. So etwas würde, wenn überhaupt, dann aus politischen Gründen geschehen. Faktisch wäre ein solcher Kampfpanzer ein Leopard 3, wenn man denn die eingeschlagene Raubkatzenbenennung weiterführen will.”
Leopard 3 again remains a private venture by Rheinmetall until ordered or officially examined by WTD der Bundeswehr.
Also maybe post a source to your quotes, makes it better to follow
There is a difference between intend and actual requirements. You can intend what you want but the fact is
“Da die Einigung politisch gewollt war, wurde ein Kompromiss formuliert, der besagt, dass beide Varianten der Bewaffnung fertigentwickelt werden und im Anschluss gegeneinander getestet werden sollen, bevor eine Entscheidung gefällt wird. Ein eindeutiger Beleg dafür, dass eine Entscheidung im hier und jetzt gescheut und auf die Zukunft vertagt wurde.”
Kampfpanzer der Zukunft – Leopard 3 im Anmarsch?
Haha, why don’t you argue with Italy and Sweden about the Hungarian leopard 2A7HU KF51-120 Finnish leopard 2A6NL Norwegian leopard 2A8NOR Danish leopard 2A7DK should not join?
Is it because British tree players are easy to bully?
Italy will get the 2A8 and the 2A7HU.
Sweden will get the Finnish and Norwegian Leopards.
Denmark’s Leopards could go to Germany, but I see the danish sub tree being put into sweden to keep the nordic countries together.
Yes the project exists officially. What does not exist official are the specs and requirements.
That is the entire point of the article, it makes an educated GUESS. It also is entirely possible that the BMVg stays with L55A1 to keep costs down as non sensible this would be.
So again no official requirement just educated guesses by a media outlet.
Leopard 3 again remains a private venture by Rheinmetall
The dichotomy of forum users.
So again no official requirement just educated guesses by a media outlet.
Sure, we can look at it from such an angle too, but we can also look at Pistorius’ statements and conclude early that they have already decided, and MGCS will likely produce two variants - one with a German gun (for Germany) and one with a French gun (for France, duh).
Though I reckon armament will be interchangeable since both turret will have to comply with the hull’s requirements & design parameters… that are wholey in Germany’s hands.
No German player wants Challenger. It’s a mediocre tank, in game and in reality. There is only one thing that makes this particular Challenger worthwhile, and that’s its gun, which just so happens to be designed, built and tested by Germany. If you guys are really clamouring for these scraps of German tech then maybe you are playing the wrong tech tree…
Again, I don’t think anybody here is trying to claim a german tank for the british tech tree.
So far we have ordered 18 2A8 to be delivered in 2026.
In a 2020 interview with Frank Lobitz they spoke about requirements which would be whished for like RWS, Hardkill APS, new engine and FCS. But again nothing about it required to have a 130mm main gun.
But the actual official requirements for the Brückenlösung aka 2AX/ 3/ whatever are likely not to be decided on until 2026.
https://www.hartpunkt.de/vom-leopard-2-a8-zum-mgcs-bundeswehr-plant-mit-brueckenloesung/
You do hopefully now understand:
(Ironically same situation as with the KF41 Lynx in game where the KF51 if it comes should go to Hungary since they have officially ordered the further development of it. And guess what it won’t come with the 130mm but the L55A1 120mm
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So if we now take everything together: there is no official requirement for a tank with the 130mm Rheinmetall L/51 at this point in time. And also no tank ordered with this gun from Germany for the Bundeswehr.
At this point just go to a leopard thread
Not the case. These cannons are being developed for MGCS specifically.
Säule 2 – Kanone, Turm und Munition unter deutsch-französischer Führung. In einem ersten Schritt sollen jeweils national unterschiedliche Kanonensysteme entwickelt und nach einer Vergleichserprobung ein System ausgewählt werden.
https://defence-network.com/der-neue-kampfpanzer-mgcs-nach-boxer-muster/
Not what this says.
These cannons are considered for MGCS, not developed for it. Again a big difference.
Ahh, I must have missed the part where Britain is considering the 130 mm…
Just to make it clear, neither UK nor Germany goes for 130. The Cr2 130 was a private venture of Rheinmetall, where they presented that 130 autoloader they did worked. Purpose of the video was 130 with its autoloading presentation for potential buyers in the future, neither of countries wanted to buy it.
Did I claim somewhere it did?
The simple matter of fact is that is Rheinmetall we’re the one ones that used a challenger 2 (not a Leopard chassis in case you forgot) chassis to make a sales pitch demonstrator for their product.
This his nothing to do with either country
Please just go to a different thread, this one is about the Cr2…
So Rheinmetall, a German company, puts forward its gun the 130 mm L/51 to meet a requirement of the Franco-German MGCS which requires the development of a new gun… and somehow it has nothing to do with Germany?