Welp, good to know. At least we have a chance to get them to the Mk3 standard for now. Better than nothing. Next step is get a source that states some kind of protection we can base things.
Sorry I miss read I thought you were looking to know which challengers had VARMA, but know I know we’re talking about VARMA Series 1 which is on challenger 1 Mk3, challenger 2 DL2E and challenger 2 DL2F. As we know the DL2F and onwards had a more later version of VARMA !!
without trying to be too provocative… any ideas when we getting our Chally 2 devblog?
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Yes, I’m very surprised too. They promised to consider Britain first, but as a result, the Abrams received a personal devblog.
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The devs are back from holiday so it should be soon depends how much of a priority it is to them.
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@Stona_WT Hi there, do we have a timeframe for when we could perhaps expect this devblog?
I of course understand that the staff do need (and deserve!) a holiday, however this was December the 21st that the original dev blog was released with reference to this. With this fast approaching 3 weeks elapsed since the original post, an update would be ideal, just to make sure it hasn’t been forgotten about and for the sake of transparency.
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I mean, we’ll wait and see. I’d also be interested to see where the Gripens are at in terms of performance, last we heard is they were being monitored but…
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balls missed that :(
god i forget the sounds are so nutty
Damn, I often look on the Vickers mk.7 turret armour and what’s shocking to me that the breech area is so huge, is pretty oblique and the cover seems like it has Abrams-like composite behind it. But the sad reality is the breech is pretty void, having only some 200mm plate behind it like most british tanks after the good and loved CR1. I think that Gaijin has some kind of bias towards unarmoured breech areas in almost all British tanks past 1945, especially the MK.10 Cents, Challengers and the Vickers itself.
I wonder if theese decisions to model breech areas in Brit tanks comes from the fact, that the CR hadn’t any kind of composite NERA covering it’s breech thus all later deigns share that too?
Here’s my amateur visualisation
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Cent Mk 10 is missing its trunnion (200mm), reported
Challengers2 trunnion is half its size, probably some other things that make the mantlet such a weakspot, also missing trunnion pins.
Vickers had very simmilar turret armour to the Cr1, reported
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Cheesecake is like sex. Even when it’s bad it’s still good.
Love cheesecake, could eat an entire one to myself .
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- British tanks in War Thunder have been artificially created with mantlet weaknesses: from Chieftain MK10 to Challenger 2, the mantlet weakness area is constantly growing
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For the MK.7 It should be at least as effective in the breach area as the composite internal on the Osorio as that was another vickers turret with export compatible composite across the entire frontal arc of the turret which protected against 105 mm APFSDS. If not then they might as well give us the Osorio for equal mobility and firepower but very much visible composite coverage.
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So some time between now and the heat death of the universe, but likely more towards the latter.
I know it’s probably the wrong standing as it’s Brazilian but I really do think we should get it. As the turret is the vickers universal turret and is probably the best tank that can get it apart from maybe the mk 4. Especially with how they gave the Germans the Argentinian sk due to it having German components…… I just really want it because it’s one of the best looking mbts and I want to add it to my collection of challengers and arietes, plus maybe the type 10.
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I agree, but I don’t think it’s the wrong standing, it was a Vickers-Engesa project and wasn’t even officially requested by the Brazilian government nor the British Government. So both countries have a claim.
If they have plans for Brazil in-game then sure they can choose to put it in whatever tree Brazil materialises in but there were two prototypes and several gun options. So they could give us one and the Brazilians another. Or they could just fill the armour of the Vickers Mk.7 with composite and also add the Mk.7/2 and we won’t be in need of a high mobility tank with decent protection (2A4/Abrams equivalent) and Brazil could get them both.
What I do know is that it has no business being in a tree that is not Brazil or the UK. I’ve seen suggestions for Germany because its engine was German (even though it was bought off the shelf and not as part of the hull), or for France because a GIAT 120mm was an option (even though vickers were the one’s who integrated it, again off the shelf).
And yes its certainly a pretty tank. My British MBT looks ranking goes Challenger 1>Vickers Mk.7/2>Osorio. Then things like CR.2 and the rest come after.
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The Osório was made primarily for export, with the version they made for Brazil being worse (Worse cannon, worse stabilizer, worse optics, no thermals, maybe armour too, etc), which explains the lack of interest on our part. The turret was designed together with Vickers but the armour was designed by Engesa, it was still in development during the trials and maybe could have been better if the project survived longer.