I’m not overly sure where to look for that, but if anyone has that data, I’ll definetly add it
I was already thinking that we could do with swapping out the MGs on all the CR2s with the “Leonardo “Enforcer” remote control weapon system” Like we have on the TES just to get rid of the magic “ghost” guns we have currently. But no idea if it could be outfitted to all 4 other variants we have currently
While I haven’t completed my research post on CR2s armor, i’ll post these here as i’m sure it’ll come up at some point: here’s photographs of CR2s mantlet armor. As you can see, its mostly hollow except for the giant flat metal surface at the front of the breach. It’s hollow, not filled with NERA as the TOGS II electrical and signal cabling is fed through here.
Challenger 2E does not use TOGS though it’s unclear if the mantlet was reinforced with the extra space it now has.
There’s design reviews by manufacturers who clearly state the CR2 mantlet is considered a problematic area for a potential kill on CR2 if hit. Still researching if this was ever fixed and i’m digging up more info as I go along, but for the most part - here’s what we can see so far.
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Just incase we end up with folks saying there’s triangle shaped NERA plates in there again haha
That said: I believe the armor thickness on the front of the mantlet MIGHT be NERA or just very thick steel. It’s far thicker than the game estimates though, just that the mantlet isnt filled with anything.
You can see where the strikeface ends and the hollow area begins on that last photo just under the gunner backup sights. See how there’s a noticable lip? Its also divides in two, like its laminated so possibly Steel ontop or NERA/Chobham. Unsure but there’s something going on there.
I do this research in my spare time as a senior analyst for one of the UKs universities, so i’ll dig through whatever tomes i’ve got to play with to say for sure or draw reasonable conclusions for.
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Wire harnesses pictured are only about an inch diameter. The void needed to run them through isn’t necessarily very deep set from the bottom of the mantle
Mate…
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Missed that, though that does cover all 3 Challengers not specifically the Challenger 2.
Take a look at image 1 and image 2. You can see where the wires get fed from and through. All the images suggest at the very least, the left side is a completely void cavity, with only the strikeface being armored and the breach face.
Whats on the right side - i’ve got no data but the appearance of an access panel similar to the left side with the wiring suggests it too, is hollow though the purpose of this is unclear.
There is likely far more protection than WT estimates, but it’s not got NERA composite wedges in there.
Reminder, it’s been reported.
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You’re a champion, Fireball 🧡
Love your work, dude
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Have you checked here out ??
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I havent yet. I didnt think to actually check for a thread on the old forums. Woops. I’ll link it above and have a read through when I get a chance for things to add to this up-to-date thread
Ide love to be able to use the 40mm grenade launcher on the remote weapon system
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Im pretty sure all Challys2 can be fitted with it
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Then I might put in that suggestion then. I assume there is no major “advantage” from the remote control weapon on the TES. I dont actually have it unlocked yet
The Leonardo Enforcer RCWS can be fitted with a 12.7mm M2 Machine gun, the GPMG or a 40mm Automatic Grenade launcher. Leonardo also played with the idea of a remote control ATGM system using the same package.
Their brochure can be seen here : https://web.archive.org/web/20180301044344/http://www.leonardocompany.com/documents/63265270/66465238/mm08109_Enforcer_RWS_LQ_.pdf
TES Could instead also get it’s Baracuda thermal stealth blanket too if you’re scouting for ideas.
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Added to the list. Yeah 12.7mm on all of the chally 2 would actually be a reasonably decent upgrade. Not much reason for it to not have it in my opinion
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did this ever get corrected?
Absence of thermal vision for the commander, the commander can use the thermal vision from the gunner, but he also has his own thermal image, better than the M1A2 + Challenger 2 can also have a self-loading system for the 120 mm cannon