Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 2)

[CamVPro]

Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 1)

The Arietes had an armour overhaul last major update. CR.2 in particular has had a huge amount of dev time and attention, as well as individual blog posts directly on it (as well as CR.1). Its more than fair to say the Challengers receive their fair amount of attention.

Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 1)

“CR.2 in particular has had a huge amount of dev time and attention…” “Its more than fair to say the Challengers receive their fair amount of attention.” And they’re still wrong according to the accepted bug reports…so, are we just leaving them ahistorically inaccurate forever because devs have spent too long on it?

As above

[Morvran]

Yeah… they are definetly selectively fixing bug reports.

[CamVPro]

The sky is blue

[Kobes-Kamov]

Completely pointless even making reports anymore.

You spend your time finding info and making them, just for them throw half of them in the bin for seemingly no reason.

Then when you ask them about it, you either get meaningless replies or your comments are deleted.

[Smin1080p_WT]

@Kobes-Kamov

Then when you ask them about it, you either get meaningless replies or your comments are deleted.

If we had an update to provide, then we would do so. Continually spamming a topic with off topic would be the reason for your comments to be deleted. Especially since it was already asked to move the discussion to the correct place.

[TD_SEB]

yeah like this blog was very cherrypicked and they even then not much was done

[Development] Discussing reports related to the Challenger 2 MBT

[image] Hey everyone, thanks for your patience while waiting for this post. Today we’d like to discuss bug reports relating to the Challenger 2 series of tanks, what we’ve already fixed thanks to your reports, and what we’re planning to do in the near future. Let’s dive in and take a look at these reports. First and foremost, we want to take the time to thank you for creating bug reports for the Challenger 2. Thanks to these reports, the following have been actioned and have already been …

[Rzi4628-live]

see they would fix the challenger 2 if they got more sales on the OES

[Morvran]

Yep, it is. Most reports just get left accepted for all enternity.

[luque13]

I would agree however Gaijin have shown it is only those that moan complain or cry the most get meaningful changes. So you cannot be critical of the community when Gaijin are flat out ignoring the bug reports and ignoring the problems.

In your opinion what is the best way to draw attention to an issue and to ensure a bug report is not left as accepted with no clearly defined completion date?

[Morvran]

Its a great question.

Sure, it takes time to fix things, but major issues, with accepted reports. Not fixed after literal years…

That is just unacceptable

[Maply]

Its a game convintion /s

[Master_Teaz]

uhm

[CruL]

my bad :D

[Rzi4628-live]

what did he say i must know

[Master_Teaz]

Something about CV90120T, weight and APS

[Rzi4628-live]

oh. maybe we need a cv90120 t ifv technical data and discussion (part 1) thread

[Tea_And_Country]

May as well discuss it here, not like anything’s being done on the challenger anyway lol.

[Night-Hawk]

I have been a long-time player of this game, and I am pleased to see the Challenger 2 receiving attention in the upcoming update. Having played the British tech tree for quite a while, I have felt a bit exhausted recently, which led me to take a break from the game. Based on my extensive experience with the Challenger 2, I would like to suggest the following improvements:

• Ammunition Capacity and Replenishment: The reserve ammo capacity is severely lacking. Only having four rounds in reserve is insufficient, and the replenishment time feels excessively long. Since the shell penetration and lethality are relatively low, the tank needs to be able to sustain fire to remain competitive.
• Turret Protection and Hull-Down Capability: To effectively utilize the Challenger’s signature turret armor, it needs a buff to its gun mantlet or overall module protection. Even if the exact armor values are difficult to adjust due to limited public data, adjustments such as relocating modules or increasing module durability would greatly help in emphasizing the advantages of hull-down playstyles.
• Mobility and Handling: Despite the engine power being increased to 1,300 hp, the mobility does not feel significantly improved. While I have no complaints regarding the acceleration—as it is realistically expected to be sluggish—the tank loses an excessive amount of speed when turning.
• Hull Armor Buffs: The Challenger 2 has a larger profile compared to other MBTs. While the upper front hull offers around 500mm of protection against APFSDS, it is unfortunately insufficient given the penetration values of the tanks it faces at its current BR. Increasing this to at least 550mm would provide a much-needed sense of confidence when facing enemies head-on.
• Side Armor Protection: Looking at various photographic references, the Challenger 2 is often seen equipped with additional armor packages. Given that its base hull is relatively weak compared to other MBTs, it needs improved side armor protection to prevent being easily neutralized by autocannon fire.

In conclusion, to justify the trade-offs of lower penetration and mobility, it is crucial that the Challenger 2’s survivability be significantly enhanced.

[Master_Teaz]

@Night-Hawk

Even if the exact armor values are difficult to adjust due to limited public data

from what i remember, it should be ~500-550mm when every chunk of metal in the mantlet/breech area is included

@Night-Hawk

Mobility and Handling:

there’s nothing that can be done to fix this in the present, its got its correct engine power, gear ratios, weight

only thing that could be done is somehow get gaijin to change the axis intertias again, or wait out for Regenerative steering

@Night-Hawk

While the upper front hull

the hull armour on the Challies is fairly weak, but IRL there is a steel add-on plate on the UFP that we don’t have in game

@Night-Hawk

additional armor packages.

@Night-Hawk

improved side armor protection

we have these in game,

Dorchester 2E, Dorchester 2F, Dorchester 2G/H (i forget which it is)

2E is on Base Chally 2 in game (add on armour mod)
Chally 2 2F has 2F, (Add on armour mod, otherwise i think its Dorchester 2E?)
Dorchester 2G/H is on TES/OES permanently

whether or not it adds the correct protection in game is something i’m not clued up on,

i just know against 30mm APDS there’s debate wether STANAG 5 protection is with/without the backplate (gaijin says with)

Then theres the fact that the 2G/H’s ASPRO-HMT can be shot off by autocannons, which it can’t IRL

[Night-Hawk]

Thank you for the detailed response. I have more questions to ask, but I am a bit busy right now. I will get back to you in a few hours