Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 2)

It is the german main ammunition, the ammunition used by Leopards
The community wouldnt shut up about it and force gajins hand, easy as that
In its essence the performance is the same, to DM53 just inert.

CR3(P) yes, that one exists, but no finished CR3 yet.

they already dropped the Cr3 TDs BR for that reason It is only 11.7 for that reason at this point, cause it is so bad. Other challys are 12.0 And just saying Ariete at 11.7 is still a thing as well

and honestly your bias being noticeable, 2a7Vs arent hard to kill, even more so with that bad new turret basket, they have been massively nerfed trough it

Generaly Leopards have been hit with unreasonable nerf over nerf recently.
Turret handling on the backside and the turret basket massively influenced performance

True, they gave the German Typhoon Aim-9M, PW4s and Brimstones it never used. So it is against the ToS for Britain to have any advantage over any other nation.

No, they simply didnt increase its BR to 12.0. And now its been nerfed again.

The Ariete is smaller and faster and has a faster reload.

and so has the CR2 and CR3.

We still dont even have our IRL ready rack size. Which means that after a few rounds we have the slowest reload at top tier, an average shell, no armour, lowest mobility and yet we are somehow the same BR as the Leopard 2.

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buddy did i say its unreasonable?
I said it wont be added without germany getting it at the same time.
Just like typhoons did

Has anyone else noticed that the armour viewer for the Challanger tanks is a little messed up at the moment





And it’s not just the Challanger 2s, the Challenger 1s armour viewers are also screwed

Both are fine for me. I think you just turned off “show external armour” in the armour viewer.

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That’s what I’m talking about though, no other MBTs have their internal composite armour and the outer steel layer that covers it disappear from the armour view when pressing that button, only the Challengers do, and also, they didn’t used to either this is a rather recent thing.

I don’t want a Leopard 2 bud, I just want a tank that is as good as it’s contemporaries.

Buffing CR2 would help, Gaijin have proven they wont
India has no options that are top tier
Excluding the new light tank

TBH I think if we just got a Leo 2A6M CAN then we would be sorted for a while. There is the large SPAA gap that needs filling after the ADATS but I don’t think we will get ZA-HVM anytime soon. I also wonder if Leo 2A6M has the normal German RCWS that is normally found on their Leopards?

i am not a fan of UK just getting thrown vehicles from everywhere just out of pity

german leopards do not have rcws, the only rcws leopard right now is propably is the 2a7HU

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The RCWS on the PSO is the standard ones the Germans use. The crews normally don’t have them equipped because A. There aren’t any available, B. They choose not to or C. There aren’t any because the Bundeswehr didn’t buy any since the massive budget cuts. Modern Leos from the 2A5 or 2A6 to the most modern variants are all capable of using it (if there is a space available for it or there is already another RCWS on the turret), they are a lot like the British RCWS for the CR2s (can’t remember name rn) and can get used be all, no matter the version

no literaly german leopards do not use RCWS, no 2a5,6,7 . The PSO was a demonstrator.
But germany considered the RCWS technology not finished yet at the 2A7V time and decided against integrating it. German leopards are not able to use RCWSm no idea where u got that from

Thought they could use them. I’ve seen plenty of pics of Leos with them. I refer to the PSO as it uses the RCWS I’m talking about

literaly would love to see them.
Its only the 2a7+ and PSO you will see pictures of them, both coming out of the same project for an urban fight leopard version. No inservice leopard has them

TLDR canada has no RCWS

The last attempt in my long going project.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/GsLP84YSrvjU
If that is not enough for Gaijin, they might as well just admit they “know better”.


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Very nice! Now if we could combine the BK with the power pack from the 2E and the fire power from the CR3 we might actually have a tank only marginally crappier than a Leopard 2A5/A6

If the armour was modelled like the Russian armour then the CR2 would be very good but they are just ignoring everything that might be wrong for Britain

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What do you mean? It is modelled as russian armour. Very poorly made and the ERA is filled with egg cartons.

Oh you mean in game Russian armour. I see.

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Russian armour IRL is NOT like what it is in the design that is proposed before production begins, just look at the T34 or IS 3 or any other Russian tank that has a bad reputation for having shitty armour and considering any leaked classified document on the CR2 is sent to the KGB and then deleted but if it’s Russian then it is used and the numbers are made 10x better in protection than its supposed to have

a screenshot of a video game with the words that was a joke lads

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