Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 1)

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9696

It is my pleasure to announce- Challenger 2 just got a survivability buff!

The back charge ammo storage bin was corrected.

Before, many of the charges at the back were vertically split in 2, and each half was stored separately; which led them to fill the entire back rack even when only carrying 14 shells as I do, which, in turn, led to ammo detonation whenever the hull was penetrated, since the entirety of the back was coated in charges.

However, now, the charges are correctly modelled and stored; so, now, carrying 14 shells as I do, there’s only charges on the left side of the rack, right behind the loader, and not in the center of the hull any longer!

Basically, the ammorack surface area was reduced by 50%.

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Now Challenger 2s are officially better than Challenger 3 (TD) lmao. At least until (if) 3 (TD) gets the same 5 second reload as them (and its missing 17hp).

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9697

Enforcer on Cr2 is mostly seen with 7.62. I have seen .50 cal on it 2 times and AGL was never seen, still my brochure based report is still open

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9698

Yeah I also have photos of the 50 cal on a normal challenger 2 without the TES or Dorchester. Wasnt the Grenade launcher GMG not AGL (or is it the same weapon just german made and american)

9699

AGl is just a short for Automatic Granade Launcher and thats what is used in the brochure
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9700

Ok, I have a source which states its called GMG “Grenade Machine Gun” so basically the same shit. :)

9701

How can we prove that the turret crew of the challenger is too high up in their seats? images? how many do we need?

9702

Just need the seat layout dont ya?

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9703

need sekret documents im not a russki spi trust me . :)

In all seriousness they are so high up their practically lifeguards in those seats.

9704

I think the issue you’ll have will be the way that the image is distorted by wide angle lenses making it hard to map the crew onto where they should be in the tank

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9705

Yes or we use math. to calculate a from the size of the tank to the begning of the road wheels predict how much roof armour is exactly on the challenger then work our way to the seats. How hard can it be?

9706

Is this just a reverting of the ammo bug this patch, or is it an actual change for the tank?

This buff would be significantly more noticeable if the Chally 2 got its hull spall liners, but either way its a nice change

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9707

F the grenade launcher, what the Challengers need is better mobility.

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9708

That would require gaijin to model regenerative steering and the Challengers hydrogas suspension giving it better offroad performance than other tanks, but they wont

9709

Actual change! The patch bug was a different matter.

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9710

Great, do you know if it applies to the Challenger 1s or Vickers MK.7

I’ve had a look ingame, but i dont know what it looked like before so i cant tell

9711

On another note anyone try’d hesh since the dev server changes?

9712

Many other tanks would benefit from updated suspension modeling, Leclercs just to name one.

9713

I tried it on the the FV4005, it seemed a bit more consistent

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9714

yeah, as far as I’m aware the Chally 2, Leclerc, Type 10 and some other top tier tanks have hydrogas or hydraulic suspenion This provides better offroad performance for the tank, of course not modelled ingame.

Tanks lacking it are the Leopard, Abrams and Russian/Chinese tanks. Modelling suspension better would be the perfect buff for “minor” nations as they use advanced suspension a lot more than the big three.

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9715

Good :)