do you have the 2F late picture?
2F Late
2F Early
I don’t know this kinda says otherwise
Splinter proof plates are as close as you’ll come to someone putting spall shield in a British document. They like to be special when it comes to vocabulary.
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But that is 25mm?
So that is a spall liner?
The splinter proof plates and splash guard are separate things in that sentence. G2 asked about item 1 on the diagram, which is explicitly a rubber rain seal
Do you have the full source for those testing and the envirovement they were conducted in?
it’s still prototype phase so sadly not much use to us other than for estimation of where they went next
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That sentence is in reference to item one. It doesn’t mention anywhere that its for rain.
Not to mention it wouldn’t even make sense as a rain shield. Its part asbestos and covers more of the interior of the turret than is shown here. None of the areas it covers in question are in a position to block rain.
SRAAM
PGM-500/2000 on GR1
Hellfire on Lynx/G-Lynx
Starstreak on AH Mk.1 Apache
Blacknight
CR2E
MTTD
TTD
The Vickers wheelie boy thing
Paveways inboard on GR1/IDS
CR3 TD (literally a prototype of a prototype)
Swift F.7 having guns.
Buccaneer S.2 CM dispensers
Sea Meteor even being a thing.
I’m sure there is even more.
I spend alot of time finding obscure but interesting loadouts for our aircraft.
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This is straight up false, this is the souce you are refeering too and those are NOT M1A2 SEP’s.
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If you have an actual source about that specify about the SEP V2 i’d like to see it.
As Gunjob told you, there are a lot of prototypes on quite a good amout of nations, cannot think about one nation that doesn’t have any, and personally i do not see anything wrong with it.
Do you mean this? Because if i don’t recall it wrong the turret was a wood mockup and even if we do not count that there were no informations at all on the missile, how come the Developers should model the missile?
This prototype never left the mockup stage basically.
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Also, FYI, the missile was supposed to be the prototype of the later successful Umkhonto missile, a IR-guided SAM with 20km range. It will be the best SAM if added, surpassing even the VT1. VLS version currently used by a number of navies on frigates and corvettes.
Also, the SEP’s should IIRC get a buff the their ARAT, if the buff we saw in the Dev Server makes it into Live of course. For what it regards the T-80B, while yes, it never used as default thermals, the same could be said for the T-80U, some of those vehicles carried them and they got added and i agree with this decision. Its a 10.3 and 11.3 vehicles, where every vehicle have thermals, so i don’t see nothing wrong with it if you ask me.
Could be that if USA win rates keep staying miserable they could even add one of those M1’s with the DU, or the M1A2 SEP v3, which Developers knows it had improvements on the armor.
Just my 2 cents on it.
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Right - So then why are vehicles like SEPV2 bound to the “Its a production version only rule” and then T80B can be non production, but bare no prototype naming?
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It’s developer discretion. If they want to model a specific vehicle they can, if their intention is to model a production SEPv2 then so what? Doesn’t mean the door is closed on a prototype version later?
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That’s the problem i’m highlighting here though. Everything is up to developer discretion, where they contradict themselves constantly, have no actual solid ruleset and things are just “if the devs think they know better, they do” even if it flies in the face of balance, precedent and enjoyment.
There’s no consistancy, and that’s one of the biggest problem the entire game faces. It heralds itself as this by the books, extremely realistic simulator style game where all the values and stats are pulled right from the achives, while simultaneously going back on that in other areas and do things because it’s now suddenly not a realistic simulator style game and the developers can just pick and choose what they like.
They’re the developers, and they get to make the calls - sure. But issuing statements or making actions that then contradict their previous stances, go against their elitist views on realism and then add random hypothetical vehicles or vague prototypes where prototypes are denied for other vehicles is just maddening.
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Again its a challenger thread :)
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Because every case is different and different choice may or may not be made, thats all.
Adding for example a T-80U or T-80B without thermals at their respective BR where everything has thermals wouldn’t have been balanced nor right, there was the possibility and they added thermals that were fitted on some of those vehicles.
Also as i mentioned, Abrams are receiving contineous buff, its not like they’re not trying to address the situation with US Top Tier.
Anyway, since this is a Challenger 2 Thread, lets start it back with one of those ))
@Gunjob While your here, do you have any further info on the CR2 remodel or if there will be a 2nd dev server or do you know as much as we do regarding those matters?