tallies with what was said on the report.
it sounds like it was supposed to be worn while inside on ranges but… that may be me reading it wrong haha
Ah yes, the typical Cr2 crewman with void insead of a face. Nothing to look at, Sir. Keep calm and drink tea.
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Thrown the tea in to the void
Void: Thank you, Sir. This tea sure is very pleasing. Would you be so kind to tell me where you can obtain such a exquisite tasting leaves?
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@Mytho61734
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It would be worth considering these two excerpts, which suggests that:
- ECBA must be worn in all situations where a crew is likely come under enemy fire
- ECBA in War Thunder would be likely to reduce or mitigate entirely the risk of small arms fire or fragmentation. To what extent is up for debate.
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Flak jackets are already on helicopter so you could some what test fragmentation with them. A crew with max viality can survive a hit from a .50 cal so with ECBA it should help a lot with spall protection
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I still don’t see why they couldn’t just out right remove all the apfsds heads from the damage model to recreate the inert nature of them. Unless this would cause even more trouble with the spaghetti code.
A direct hit with a 20mm is survivable, sometimes, with a flak jacket so having this on tank crews should be roughly the same outcome with spall. Of course this is nothing like a tank being shot and there is no spall, but having this should help survivability for the, which for tanks like the Cr3 and Abrams with no modelled spall liners would make them more balanced, i doubt they would be added to tanks with spall liners though, which would get lots of people to be mad…
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Now we need to get a modification for the Cr3 to add trophy and that front plate (devil’s favourite plate)
Picture from DSEI 2021
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Whatever makes my loader live longer.
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It’d be interesting/useful if we could get some data on how effective something like ECBA would be. Depending on what it is composed of, i’d expect it to defeat small arms rounds at 7.62mm calibre and a reasonable amount of frag from 120/125mm rounds
Of course, shooting a crew member directly with 120/125mm APFSDS probably wouldn’t leave them in a good state.
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Yeah of course it wouldn’t be healthy, but people just aim for weak spots like the gun breach.
So for example the loader here might only go red (bad example as all the shrapnel hit his legs lol. I’m not saying ECBA should stop them from dying but if one or two pieces of shrapnel hit their chests the really shouldn’t die. It should be in the game on all tanks because its a realistic feature, unlike the crew upgrade vitality, I dont die because ive had .50 cal vaccine so my body can get shot by them and take no damage.
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“I can confirm that the soft armour protection from fragmentation is assessed against STANAG
2920 Addition 2 and the HOSBD Body Armour Standards for UK Police (2007) Part 1.”
Source, ECBA FOI request from 2015; https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/297040/response/723097/attach/3/20151022%20FOI2015%2009029%20Black%20WDTK%20ECBA%20Osprey%20protection%20levels%20final%20O.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1
Edit; never mind, that just details how tests are conducted and does not contain results for ECBA.
“The body armour filler was introduced in time for the Gulf War and is made of a woven aramid and nylon, with a green PVC cover”
“The material inside the plates is sintered alumina and each plate weighs 1.16kg”
"ECBA was used at the start of Operation Telic, however ECBA was not initially available in sufficient quantities so some men had to make do with the older CBA without the armoured plates. After a number of high profile deaths an urgent operational requirement was put in to secure more of the armour plates to allow ECBA to be issued to all troops in theatre. "
What a beauty.
We wont, as devs stay adamant that it is 2019, not 21
I prefere the BN plate, but i like this one too ;)
From a quick bit of googling (I’m no expert on body armour) it seems that the original “Combat Body Armour” was a soft Kevlar vest designed to protect against fragments and 9 mm pistol rounds. The next version “Enhanced Combat Body Armour” added a pocket to the front and back which can hold a Small Arms Protective Insert (SAPI) plate.
A SAPI plate can apparently protect against a 7.62 mm rifle round. So I guess most of the ECBA vest protects against 9 mm pistol rounds and fragments, while the area covered by the plate (marked in blue) can protect against up to 7.62 mm.
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Great so instead we have at the top of our tree a prototype with an upgraded gun and nothing else over a vehicle from the 1990s, fighting T-90M et cetera.
well if russian tanks can get massive era upgrades from years after the first production tank, we should be able to get a 2021 upgrade