Thats what I am doing, would be nice to have the L27A1 when uptiered L26 just doesnt cut it.
I just told luque13 that I don’t care about what someone ‘‘feels’’ is more mobile because I can’t do anything with what someone ‘‘feels’’. I even gave the example of:
I repeat: What matters are the actual facts, and the facts are that the Challenger 2 out-accelerates a T-90A.
And no, I am not talking about the Challenger 2E, otherwise I’d have called it ‘‘Challenger 2E’’ in the chart. All the vehicles listed are exactly what I say they are.
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So, this is not the 2E?
That statistic table appears to be very old
All of those tanks can reach their max speed offroad now, it was changed years ago so that must be at least a few years old
The Challenger 2’s have also received mobility buffs since then
Once again, if anyone has any issues with my chart, please present data of your own.
Typically brackets denote the DL armour, in this case DL2E, so I assume it’s the first CR2 with the add-on kit mounted.
The chart seems outdated since the weights of the CR2s were adjusted semi-recently, currently the hp/t of the CR2 with DL2E is ~18.06 (~19.02 w/o DL2E), so it’ll be a bit more sluggish now.
By contrast the demonstrator vehicles (excl. Black Night) keep the training weight of 62.5t, putting the CR2E at 24 hp/t
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Sigh…
I don’t look forwards to having to re-do that thing. This stuff takes hours.
I could potentially get some data myself but I would have to use the Bshima instead of the T90A
— 06/05/2024 12:49 PM
2.35.1.112 → 2.36.0.16 Part 5
Ground changes: (continued)
- Challenger 1 Mk. 2:
- Empty mass: 61000 → 61500 kg
- Full mass: 62000 → 62500 kg
- Challenger 1 Mk. 3:
- Empty mass: 64500 → 66070 kg
- Full mass: 65000 → 67070 kg
- Challenger 1 Mk. 3 (DS):
- Empty mass: 61000 → 62690 kg
- Full mass: 62000 → 63690 kg
- Challenger 2 (Dorchester 2E):
- Empty mass: 61000 → 62500 kg
- Full mass: 62500 → 64000 kg
- Dorchester 2E: additional mass when equipped: 1100 → 3380 kg
- Challenger 2 (Dorchester 2F):
- Empty mass: 62500 → 67500 kg
- Full mass: 64000 → 69000 kg
- Dorchester 2F: additional mass when equipped: 5000 → 1000 kg
- Challenger 2 Mk. 2 Black Night:
- Empty mass: 61000 → 63500 kg
- Full mass: 62500 → 65000 kg
Couple hours of testing and editing later:
And that’s the base Challenger 2, the one that’s relatively fast compared to some of it’s successors.
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I would love to see the documents that denote such drastic weight changes.
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They should move the challenger to the bluewater fleet. It’s basically the same weight as a battleship now.
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And what’s up with the Challenger 1 neutral pivots?
How is it so catastrophically terrible?
They were always like that. Cr2 was even worse, but they tweaked its gearbox so now it is bearable.
Ha ha what a comment!
I like how the engine is red lined and the tank barely crawls forward…Its like the transmission and the engine aren’t connected
Oh so Challengers can get massive mobility nerf with no proof but armor buffs based on multiple sources and common sense would be too much ? clown company
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It’s had what, 2 mobility nerfs since the “audit”, and not a sign of a drop in BR at least.
It shows the care and effort they put into the prior audit if they could have missed these huge weight increases. Twice.
All that extra armour silly, now the side plates offer protection up to 7mm mg!