Its only visual. They both are 30KE/500CE
Okay, thank you.
yeah i will agree with baron the challenger 130 altough its a solo venture from rheinmetall i think it fits in the UK tech tree for the reason that germany can get a KF51 wich means germany will still get a 130 mm base aswell not only the UK
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I’m almost certain it will go to the GB tree.
- Germany dosen’t need a new high tier tank, the UK does. Gaijin does take this into account, even if people try and say they don’t.
- The tank is still basically just a Challenger 2 with a new gun, yes the turret is new but the CR3 TD turret (which I believe it is based on) shares a lot with the Challenger 2 turret.
- The entire hull is British.
- It never entered service with Germany, its just a prototype, so gaijin has no obligation to give it to Germany.
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Britain has nothing to do with it either, Rhinemetal had some CR2s laying around and the turret is easier to modify than a Leopard turret. It should go to germany :shrug:
You’d probably feel differently if it was the Leopard with the Royal Ordance improved L7 being suggested for the german tree
The challenger used for the 130mm was the 2019 LEP with the same turret all they did is swap out the gun and added on the turret armour
We already have a Leopard 2 ingame with a British gun, the 105mm L7A3 on the Leopard 2AV, I have no problem with that being in the German tree.
My point is at the end of the day it’s a Challenger 2, so Gaijin is probably going to give it to the Brits even even if was made by a German private company.
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The vickers mk7 is in a mirrored situation, and which tree does it sit in?
This is nothing like the Vickers mk7
The British tree, because it was actually trialed to enter service by the British army, the Germans never trialed the CR2 130.
The Vickers Mk.7 is also significantly different to a normal Leopard 2. The Challenger 2 130mm is basically just a Challenger 2 with a new gun.
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The Vickers Mk.7 we have in game was a british project, by a british company, goes to britain
The CR2 130 is a german project, by a german company, ergo should go to germany.
Simple as.
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Vickers mk 7 was British project for the export market
Challenger 130mm was Rhinemetal going further then RBSL a BAE and Rhinemetal company which put a 130mm into a Challenger 2 ( The 2019 LEP to be exact which is the Challenger 3 TD in game) to show the UK what they could do with the Challenger 2
This game vehicles don’t go to nation just because they helped build it
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Nope… Britain will be getting it end off discussion !!
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The Challenger 130 mm was a test bed for the future use of the 130 mm L51 gun, which is planned to be adopted on future German tanks. The turret had to be extensively modified in order to fit the 130 mm gun and its autoloader. It was already in development long before the formation of RBSL.
it was the same boat as the 2019 LEP
Look we put fancy gun in the Challenger 2
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No it wasn’t lmao. The British Army largly was dismissive and just wanted to nick the FCS for an improved Challenger 1.
That’s just wrong on so many levels I don’t really have the time to unwrap properly, so bullet points time.
- the CR2 130 was a show generally what a 130mm armed MBT would look like, and test the autoloader in a rolling chassis
- The turret was used because the new autoloader is too wide for a leopard 2 turret and it was easier to use the spare LEP turret they’d already cut the back off of to fit the new 120mm ammo rack.
- Yes, yes they do lmao. Germany already has their export Leo 2 variants, the Tam series, and the DF105. And Britian has its export Vickers, Cents, and Chieftain. Stuff goes to the country that made it, if the importer doesn’t exist in game.
We really don’t need it, nor do we have much of a claim to it.
This is much like the US trying to claim the Skink cause it’s based on a Sherman.
This^ again they used a CR2 cause they had a spare LEP cause the MOD gave them two CR2s in case they broke something during the modifications.
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Does anyone here remember on the old forms we had this same sort of discussion with a German main who was looking to try a get a challenger 2 in the German tech tree ??
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this argument doesn’t matter anyway as it will go to UK and no one else
No amount of arguing will change that
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Do you have a statement by Gaijin on that?
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I made a suggestion for Germany and it was accepted with no problems.
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