ehhhh, here’s the thing
If i was strictly speaking acting true to life I wouldn’t expect ECBA to stop hot fragments from a penetrating 125mm round from the side.
The other thing is the X-ray doesn’t discriminate based on where you’re hit. So a .50 hitting your toes might not be a instant death, but 5.56 to the vital organs might, if you catch what i’m saying
And i’m concerned Gaijin will somehow use that as an excuse, even though it’s ridiculous and unfair.
I suppose you’d need to ask whether tanks with Spall liners wear PPE to the effect that they can stop incoming small arms fire or not
RAC blokes are funny about what is a tank and what isn’t. I’m pretty sure they’d deny the AVRE was - especially one with Royal Engineers inside it.😄
But yeah, that was on Op. Motorman in 1972. The turret was to face backwards at all times, they covered the barrel with a tarp to disguise the fact it still had one, and no HESH ammunition was deployed with the Centurion - so it was just a bulldozer so far as any political sensitivities went.
apart from anything else i feel like a HESH loaded Centurion could’ve been a liability. wasn’t Op Motorman for the installation of watchtowers?
Depends on the type worn, I mean British crews can be Sean with virus body armour recently.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ukas.com/wp-content/uploads/schedule_uploads/00002/4354Testing-Single.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi1lav2zcmDAxUgQEEAHTFTCVoQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2OdRCzVpU2ikdfpFD6-rjL
This isn’t ppe it’s literally body armour, it’s designed to stop fragmentation
The 50 test is used to measure the resistance of a material against fragments. The standard was originally made for bullet proof helmets, but today it is used for all situations where fragments can occur. It is also used for bullet proof vests, riot equipment and ballistic plates.
To measure the V50 value, different FSPs (fragments) are used where the most normal size is 1.1g. This fragment is fired at with different velocities, to measure the resistance of the material against fragments.
The most common standards for testing the fragmentation resistance of a ballistic product are:
US Standard - Mill STD 662 E
UK Standard - UK / SC / 5449
NATO Standard - STANAG 2920
PPE meaning Personal Protection Equipment which body armour should fall under
Yeh i think PPE is too broad of a term as it also means safety boots, dust mask, high vis etc. If you just say what it actually is being soft body armour there’s no confusion.
Motorman was getting into residential areas that the IRA had control over. They barricaded the entrances with cars and buses then burned them down to stop them from being moved. That’s why the Army used the AVRE’s.
This was after they detonated 22 bombs in Belfast which killed 9 people and injured 130.
All I’m saying is if the crew member dies from 5 direct spall hits without the chest armour, but survives from 2 leg hits and the body armour stops the other 3 leaving the crew member orange or red it’s worth having imo.
I think some people in the Army would be Sean.
It would be funny if they just added the armour as spall liners in the exact shape as the torso but with a x1.01 size increase.
Just take the torso model and multiply it by 1.01
that’s fine, but the problem is for us we have no idea what that ECBA actually provides in terms of levels of protection. we could work backwards using STANAG 2920, but that doesn’t actually give us a figure.
I mean air crews already have a flack jacket modification so i don’t see why crews shouldn’t get equivalent protection, it’s literally stated that it must be worn.
Helicopters too
German army Schutzweste Bristol Type 18. A commercial off-the-shelf vest the Germans bought in a pinch for peace-keeping deployments in the first part of the 1990s (hence why the camo pattern is wrong).
Found those pics I was looking for of the .50 cal vest in an old thread on ARRSE:
CARRIAGE, BALLISTIC, PROTECTION, 12.7mm
Ed:- more pics of another example of this vest from the IACMC forum
As I said it’s just a plate carrier with no integral soft armour at the sides etc. - was to be worn over the top of CBA or INIBA
STANAG 2920 as far as I can see is a way to standardise how ballistics are tested, what Addition 2 entails I’m not certain
If we had a level of HOSBD protection provided that’d be fine, because again, we could work backwards and ascertain a level of protection provided in millimetres.
The problem is we don’t actually know to what level
So I feel, and I’m no expert so I may very well be wrong, that that answer is a bit of a non starter for our purposes. We could make some assumptions based on what we do know about other plates, and say "well given their usage it would appear that these vests are meant primarily for defeating rifle calibre rounds, therefore it might match the specifications of RF2 on the HOSBD system of rating, therefore should be able to defeat (largest level of penetration of 7.62mm ammunition in game)
Then again, I do feel like I am missing a document or two here. So this chilli hot take is based on what I have found on HOSBD and STANAG 2920.
Yes this is what we keep finding, the testing method is public but the results are not.
