Do you think theres any hope for the challanger 2 in warthunder? its went from a meme to an absolute shame tbh.
Tell that to the BOAR trials in 1973 but overall yes its a great deal more accurate with most shells but not all necessarily
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dont just copy a piece out of the comment of what i said, I did also say that that too can be biased. though the tank museum is more reputable than red effect as a source.
But neither the statistics from a trial from 1973 (which i believe is red effect source of dispersion etc) nor the tank museums claim are relevant to the CR2 which is incredibly accurate.
But good point regardless
Im not taking only that lol
I quoted that bit specifically as its something i have a good amount on
I dont recall any dispersion, its mostly a report on crew abilities and doctrine
but yeah thats 1973 and the challenger 2 is 1998, big difference especially in technology
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Definitely welome all chieftain information tbh, they are my favourite tank and I like to hear their shortcomings and boons.
I mean its a different cannon as well, dont know why the red effect is using the L11 RO cannons accuracy to define the L30 RO cannons accuracy.
Different charges, FCS, even stabilisation is much better with challenger 2
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thats before we even touch on the upgraded gun.
CR2 has many flaws IRL which I really can accept. but inaccurate? nahj
Examples…? Because the few times it had gone up against its NATO peers (ex: Kuwaiti 1992 trials of M1A2 versus CR 2 & Hellenic Trials of 1998 - 99) it did not perform admirably.
Scores for 2018 SETC.
Needless to say, UK with their CR 2 came up sixth (offensive OPS include gunnery…).
The only time that I can think of, where CR 2 managed to beat its competition, was last year in Latvia or Estonia (Iron Spear 2023). In this year’s CAT (Canadian Army Trophy) they lost to Canada as well.
uhm dude challanger 2 didnt exist in 1992…
Tf ? genuinely u able to PM me more of that source?
Also the hellenic trials of 98 - 99 was teh challanger 2E which was found to be using outdated ammo was it? or something was wrong with the barrel.
Out of date charges, but the point stands.
During the 1992 trials, RO also claimed that US would ditch their M256 for CR 2s L30…
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Having read it as well, the CR2 was basically just out of prototype phases against a far more mature tank. as the M1A2 was what 5 years ahead of the CR2 in development as it went into IOC in 94 was it?
The 2E and the charges does make sense to affect accuracy but still shows the issues at the time. However.
(off topic but interesting from that report Is the warrior)
In 1992 RO was rapidly approaching the chopping block, an desperately seaking contracts and was uh quite boastful to stave off the government of the time selling them off. I would take any comments by them with a grain of salt
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M1A2s IOC was in 1992. Its development also began only in early 1989 if my memory serves me correctly. That aside, CR 2 being “straight out prototype phase” is kind of cope (no offense), it was supposed to enter service in 1994 as it had already been mostly finished. It was only held back til 1998 due to automotive issues (reliability).
I just find it funny tbh.
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It was quite a few issues actually that forced it back if i remember rightly there was electrical problems as well , but yeah i know it was slighted to enter service in 94 but the fact it went into service 5 years later is a massive time, half a decade aint no joke. (but no im not using it as a way of waving off the test results, just another food for thought) Im trying to find tank competitions from the 2000s now to see how it faired then as well.
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same TBH quite a bold statement xD
Baby steps is my plan for it.
First things first, fix the Ready rack from 4 rounds to 20+
After that… No idea, but will think of soemthing to work on getting fixed specific.
But at the moment, where Britain shines, is as a support nation. With a superb line-up of CAS aircraft but what we need is the others parts to make up the support role. Additions like top tier IFVs (Boxer + Ajax) and SPAAs (Warrior VERDI 2, Supacat HVM and Sky Sabre) would round out our tree quite nicely.
As for MBTs, what is needed is a decompress and then eventually the Challenger 3.
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was the last one I heard about.
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