Again a source for that? even the ukrainians using it are praising its accuracy over the tanks they have, calling it “a sniper among tanks” i believe is the quote.
Its accuracy is again one of its key good points. I get the tank isnt some indestructible wonder weapon that folks want it to be. (No tank is) Yet people believe it to be absolutely useless xD which it also isnt
Sad thing is, that we mostly stopped doing reports at this point. The CR2 blog was such a middle finger most of us simply gave up.
Yes, accurate compared to Cold War T-Tank stocks:
So you use yotubers video to prove your point.
Whos sources for the accuracy of the gun, are from the chieftain, a tank that is from 1966 and its accuracy tests.
Meanwhile In the real world, teh challanger again is being touted as highly accurate, and even won the Iron spear competition against the abrams and leopards that were there. so yeah it is an accurate gun, the tanks accuracy isnt its issue.
Also most youtubers (if not all) are heavily biased, especially red effect if he likes a tank, hell shout its amazing, if he dislikes it, facts regardless (as shown in the linked video) he will try find a way to say it sucks, e.g using the chieftains accuracy charts from decades previous to the challanger 2 to try say that the tank is innacurate.
Yeah i noticed. the CR2 blog was a lip service that seemed to have just crushed all idea of a fair report on the tank.
While FCS makes a difference, the gun can still be simply inaccurate.
you do realise on the chieftain as well it had about a 97% first shot hit rate as well in trials, go watch the tank chats from the bovington tank museum on it. or better go see it yourself!.
(they can be biased as well)
The fact is, the tank gun mounted on teh challanger 2 is not identical to the chieftain cannon at all, even ingame they have different names.
The challanger 2 tank is a highly accurate tank. that was never questioned.
No, that’s wrong. Routinely wins NATO gunnery competitions.
Do you think theres any hope for the challanger 2 in warthunder? its went from a meme to an absolute shame tbh.
Tell that to the BOAR trials in 1973 but overall yes its a great deal more accurate with most shells but not all necessarily
dont just copy a piece out of the comment of what i said, I did also say that that too can be biased. though the tank museum is more reputable than red effect as a source.
But neither the statistics from a trial from 1973 (which i believe is red effect source of dispersion etc) nor the tank museums claim are relevant to the CR2 which is incredibly accurate.
But good point regardless
Im not taking only that lol
I quoted that bit specifically as its something i have a good amount on
I dont recall any dispersion, its mostly a report on crew abilities and doctrine
but yeah thats 1973 and the challenger 2 is 1998, big difference especially in technology
Definitely welome all chieftain information tbh, they are my favourite tank and I like to hear their shortcomings and boons.
I mean its a different cannon as well, dont know why the red effect is using the L11 RO cannons accuracy to define the L30 RO cannons accuracy.
Different charges, FCS, even stabilisation is much better with challenger 2
thats before we even touch on the upgraded gun.
CR2 has many flaws IRL which I really can accept. but inaccurate? nahj
Examples…? Because the few times it had gone up against its NATO peers (ex: Kuwaiti 1992 trials of M1A2 versus CR 2 & Hellenic Trials of 1998 - 99) it did not perform admirably.
Scores for 2018 SETC.
Needless to say, UK with their CR 2 came up sixth (offensive OPS include gunnery…).
The only time that I can think of, where CR 2 managed to beat its competition, was last year in Latvia or Estonia (Iron Spear 2023). In this year’s CAT (Canadian Army Trophy) they lost to Canada as well.
uhm dude challanger 2 didnt exist in 1992…
Tf ? genuinely u able to PM me more of that source?
Also the hellenic trials of 98 - 99 was teh challanger 2E which was found to be using outdated ammo was it? or something was wrong with the barrel.
Out of date charges, but the point stands.
During the 1992 trials, RO also claimed that US would ditch their M256 for CR 2s L30…
