we need ‘only ground’ mode
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That guy obviously doesn’t know what he is doing, but assuming that was the IRIS, you are not going to defeat it by flying low.
Its’ indeed the most op SPAA we ever had and you play it with an excel sheet and it doesn’t get half the shit for it as the Pantsir did.
Laugh it up, but the complaint that peopel have about CAS, is exagerated and so overly played that it’s been an issue for years, and no matter the effort to change things it always comes back to this ‘our way or the highway’ of the vocal minority who want to keep miring and wallowing in the fixation that they die as much as they do, to planes…
When it’s been shown that they actually don’t, and aren’t as vulnerable as they are proclaiming.
CAS should be a reward for a player that done well, as you said, 2 assist doesn´t seem rewarding. My idea is to add more spawn points to any air support, atleast…
dying to something you cant defend against is a pretty simple complaint and isnt exaggerated.
air RB is air only, so there should be an actual ground gamemode as well.
to all those who dont know yet, CAS is not an excuse for comical map design
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In a PVP game if one player can kill another while the other can’t defend against it, it means that game is not balanced.
Some just want a fair game as they have while fighting tanks.
Even on full uptier if You do well You will be targeted because some just can’t fight against You using tanks and need something to kill You that You can’t do anything about.
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CAS is strong at top tier but that is because SAM players are bad. They have all the tools and continue to play poorly.
IRIS-T are some of the most guilty they will ignore ordinance and fire 5 missiles at the jet…
Jet dies gets it’s 6 kills. SAM players need to evolve and realise that killing the bombs and missiles it was wins the game, forcing a CAS player to have to waste all of their CAS ordinance is a win.
I saw this a lot. As soon as they see me they fire a ridiculous amount of missiles at me, miss everything and then don’t have anything to defend.
Not complaining about it though.
And it’s about time the fix SPAA radar not showing on RWR for a long time after they fresh spawn.
Made a bug report: Community Bug Reporting System
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This old tired well beaten posed argument is absolutely the reason why people can’t fight their way out of a paper bag when the chips are down and they are being fed negativity that leads to ODLs and all the spite that comes along with the ignorance.
You’re not defenceless.
Cool story, but no… You are mistaking ‘fair’ for something completely different because it’s not ‘fair’ it’s ‘fear’ because that’s why people don’t bother trying because they’re being told it’s pointless.
It’s never pointless.
As I’ve mentioned so many times before, add the other SPAA and air defence systems, make the spawning of planes further out, and make them have other objectives.
Hiding away in your own mode so you can statpad your precious KDR is what isn’t going to happen.
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…is still standing and you can’t find any way to defeat it.
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Tell me how a Comet can fight a F4U-4 or Yak-9K or Yak-9UT.
It can’t.
Any air superiority fighter can fight any air superiority fighter 1 vs 1 in Air RB/SB with the proper, plausible tactics and win within a ±1 BR range. I’ve even seen Yak-9K take out Ki-84s and that’s a crazy aircraft performance difference.
While not the pinnacle of balance, ARB/ASB have some semblence of it.
GRB tank on tank, whether it be TD, HT, LT, MT presents the same possibility as yak-9k vs Ki-84. Worst case, you track & gun torture while waiting for artillery to hit (crew skills help). Hell, I’ve seen a clip of some guy flying a P-26 and killing a Ki-84 (https://old.reddit.com/r/WarthunderSim/comments/1mf1za2/proxy_fuse_radarirccmbrother_get_the_peashooter/) (did the Ki-84 have skill issues? Yeah. But it’s still a plausible scenario)
This is again, like ARB/ASB, has a semblence of balance.
In no universe is something like a Challenge or a Comet or a Concept or a Cent Mk I/II or a Fv 4005 ever killing a plane that’s not flying in a straight line right into its cannon and would have died anyway from crashing into the ground.
This is not balanced in any sense of the word.
(reason I list British tanks is lack of rooftop .50 cal)
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No, you guys just don’t want to accept the points made, because it denies your need for the mode you demand.
Well duh, because it’s not an anti-aircraft vehicle…
The silliness prevails, and the paper bag is absolutely drenched, and you still can’t use the right vehicle for the application.
This is the same… Stop using and trying to make out that your ONLY option is to use a TANK, when contending against air…
SPAA are there for a goddamn reason.
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Again.
In ASB if I spawn ANY air superiority aircraft I can contest ANY enemy vehicle within the lobby without any need to use another vehicle. The degree of skill required may change significantly (whether degree of skill I must demonstrate, or degree of skill issues on my opponent’s end), but it’s a plausible scenario.
In Tank vs tank, same deal.
Caveat is ±1 BR and excluding the rare weird stuff like BIs and whatnot.
So, why must we rob people of tank vs tank having the same experience I do in ASB?
Why must they be forced to respawn in a vehicle they have zero interest in and is lacking in equal features to aircraft (compare Warthunder anti-air gunnery versus Il2:GB’s anti-air gunnery with the sights and auto-adjustments you can input for corrections)?
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No…
You can’t make out that you can’t shoot a plane down with a tank whilst ignoring that there’s others on your team, and that YOU can even pick the SPAA KNOWING that you’re going to have planes turn up.
To make any argument based on your lack of choice and thinking is ignorant to the points constantly raised about SPAA.
Because you know the threat is there, and that it’s going to kill you…
That’s a pretty simple reason.
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Thanks for proving that You don’t read what is written and refuse to understand what people are talking about.
People are talking about a situation when they are in a tank, not SPAA not Plane and how they can’t do anything to a player in a plane while being in a tank. Preatty simple context.
Amusing, especially that my highest KDR is in planes made n Ground RB.
But I’m happy that You admit that without a plane, You wouldn’t be able to do much to me
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So Maus at 1.0 when?
Someone from a team can know that Maus will spawn and use a plane with a bomb to kill it, so what is an issue?
Same old not reading what other people say.
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No, you guys just don’t want to accept this argument and now are trying mental gymnastics to build a strawman.
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What? The argument that you can’t handle the game enough that you need it changed so you can function?
lol no… I’m sorry, but they’ve been crying about the issue for so many years, and I’ve been berated, statchecked and gatekept for so many of those posts for merely not AGREEING with them that I genuinely don’t give a rats about what they ‘want’; because it’s always just been a DEMAND in my eyes.
There’s never any discussion or agreement, it’s always just attack because you don’t align with thier whinge.
And you, by saying my statements are strawmen is pure ignorance for the sake of it… Stop using words you don’t understand.
Typical bad faith argument, with this reductio ad absurdum nonsense…
Funny thing that you aren’t limited to just tanks… Pretty simple concept of the game that you apparently play.
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