If more nations had pantsir equivlants this wouldnt be the state
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Yea keep lying to yourself
U love the kh38 spam dont u?
I’ve not read through all 387 replies so far, but let me add a few words.
I tried the Otomatic for the first time yesterday and while I’m not bad in a SPAA, a Gun SPAA as “top tier” is ridiculus.
The only SPAAs that are somewhat usable are indeed the ITO, ADATS and FlaRakRad. I don’t have the Pantsir, but I assume it is quite good from what I’ve seen from various CCs. The Tor/HQ17 is a SPAA I can’t get to work properly. Not sure if it is a skill issue on my end or just a bad SPAA.
For nations like Italy, Japan and Israel you simply don’t have a SPAA for top tier and even down to 10.3 it’s a nightmare for those nations.
TheCodMineMan just added a video that shows how easy it is to get into a SU-30 and get a full loadout with KH38 and some R-77, so you can kill ground targets and defend yourself against CAP.
Same would be true for any other plane in all nations, so it’s not a russian bias thing, it’s simply the shift of balance in high and top tier entirely towards CAS.
The issue becomes a bit more pronounced, because people TRY to play their ground vehicles, either to spade them or to research the next ground vehivle or simply because the bloody game mode is about ground vehicles and that’s what they enjoy.
So by the time you got killed 2-3 times in your tank or IFV you simply don’t have the spawn points to bring a CAP anymore, all you’ve got left is a SPAA.
And thanks to the more recent addition of F&F missiles and the “realistic” control mode for the SPAA missiles, your options are…extremely limited.
Add to that, that you don’t just deal with planes, you also deal with helicopters that shoot from outside your gun and you IR missile range, so you only have radar missiles left.
In the mean time, you also need to worry about where to position your SPAA, because the map design allows for, relatively, easy access to the spawn area and while you try to bring down a helicopter you’re being targeted by an enemy tank.
Anyways, all this is well known to Gaijin, they can’t be bothered to address it, so I don’t expect them to solve it. So I’ve done what many others also do and stepped down the BR range I play.
I’d love to get my Leo 2A7 out and spade it, but not in this completely unhinged and unbalanced mess.
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It’s not even just high tier. I went back to 4.0 to spade the M44 and had multiple games where Yak-9K’s had 10+ kills and P-47’s had 5+ kills. Most players at 4.0 are relatively new and not every nation has good SPAA, so unless a veteran player uses a wirbelwind or .50 cal truck or hops into a fighter, the game is decided as soon as one of these CAS planes spawns in.
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You accuse the biggest advocate of tank only mode on this forum of “loving the kh38 spam”.
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I dont want tank only mode i want balance
Its so hard to add pantsir equivlants?
It will not help for someone who just wants to play tanks? imagine one team killed all the enemy’s air pests, then their CAP and CAS have left nothing to do, they go and harass tanks again?
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If gaijin will add pantsir eqivlants that are fun and rewarding to play u will see more spaas
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And i want tank only option
Its so hard to add tank only gamemode for those who don;t want to use planes?
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Also interception reward for spaa is needed asf
There can be pantsirs in every tech tree, still does not change the fact that part of community don’t want to play with planes
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A tank only mode will make that no one will play mixed battles exept cas players so it will be abonded
Nope.
People who want to use cas will stay in mixed battles, people who don’t want cas will use tank only.
Even me, who is strong supporter of tank only will play mostly in mixed battles.
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Give other nation CAP except russia cheaper CP cost with fox 3 since it their main spaa unlike russia
Give amraam slinger better amraam like c-5 or c-7 so that can out range Pantsir while doing cap
Remove multipath or grb
I’m sure that’ll help
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If there will be more spaas and cas wouldnt be such a big threat to tanks the part that wants tank only game mode will be much much smaller
Can be a temporary solution bit c5 and c7 might be too much
I’m not the one lying here
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It is not a fix to the problem.
People do not want “to die less to CAS”. People don’t want to die to CAS at all, people want to fight other tanks. Let those people have fun too.
We have “plane only” ARB - where is “tank only” GRB?
Either this or remove ARB from the game
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Actually not it in the service around the time 77-1 exist plus air combat in modern times is to not into range of SAM to fire off your fox3 so this is what need in reason amraam are not effective enough is it need to get within range of pantsir without altitude advantages that pantsir deny and multipath remove multipath and better amraam that out range their pantsir CAS will have to work lot harder to do anything.