Everyone has a role in a team and again if someone has to do Your part then You are not Effective.
Preatty simple concept
This is rather an absurd throwout you commit to here…
What ‘rhetorics’?
What What?
Thing is you’re saying that those planes are out of range of those SPAA, and that the SPAA is inadequate off the bat… It doesn’t matter if you have air at hand, it’s the fact that you are saying that those things, that do fire at those ranges, are ineffective.
It’s pretty clear to see, you’re only making an argument because I am the one making statements…
Because it is, I have explained it already
Nope, anyone in this topics see that I write it all the time to anyone who writes lies
I’m not seeing anything in here, relating to the point where you admit that these things that are designed to shoot at things that high, are unable to range said planes…
That is after all what was said, and you said ‘Oh no but’ not that the SPAA was ineffective…
Can you just not hit things at that range, ebcause that’s more what it sounds like… You may not be able to, but that doesn’t make it a definite no.
You’re also the ONLY one who says that they are ‘lies’ and it’s always the same… You just don’t agree with it, but you have to attack me directly because of that.
I’m sorry, but do you truly understand discussion, or just thought you knew what it was, used it as an excuse to berate and deride someone so much that you actually have nothing stopping you, because you got that confident?\
When you will be as old as me, you will realise, that adult people have jobs and stuff to do other than browsing a forum.
Besides, you’ve proven yourself, that you do not really care about civil discussion and you keep having double standards for everything to suit your opinion
False flagged…
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Not that hard to look
It is here
I understand discussion and can provide things to back up my words.
When I wanted to discuss Jak-9 with 45mm, I started playing them and that is how I know what I’m talking about. When I talk about bombers being able to destroy SPAA outside of their range, I know what I’m talking about as again I’m using bombers and know how to do it.
Example PE-8 with ~5.42 K/D or Lancaster with ~10.6 K/D.
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@Pacifica @MightyBaozi I think it’s about time someone actually sorted this out.
I’m tired of having this guy constantly goad and make out I am wrong just to be the constant that they want to be.
The ONLY reason they jumped on is because I commented, and it’s becoming clearer that the issue isn’t what I say, it’s just that I say anything they don’t actually like, because it doesn’t suit their CAS issue mentality, or that it’s all about skill and all that garbage.
@ULQ_LOVER At least you’ve picked up to edit rather than double post in your haste to push the envelope…
Too bad this isn’t anything to do with stats, KDRs or anything at all, just about the factual range… Not the effective range, the ACTUAL range…
Stop moving goalposts and changing scenarios, ignoring the points and just being so caught up on being ‘right’…
It’s the fact that you can’t agree with anything someone says, then you start statchecking and shaming them to submission… Just straight disingenuious.
(Edit - Nope…)
One of my first reply that You have replied later on:
And then:
What You have replied to that comment:
So sorry, what I have said and what You belive I have said are two different things.
I have never moved a goalpost or changed scenarios. What I was talking about from the beginning was the same.
What I always say to everyone and in all topics, SPAAs in most cases don’t have enough effective range in order to effectively do they role and have to rely on enemy air being bad in order to take it out. The best solution for enemy air is to bring the air as You won’t be limited by any range or terrain.
They’re not out of range, and that’s factual… They are literally at the height that they are designed to range at…
Effective or not, they are in actual range… That’s where you’re ‘effective’ manipulation is the issue.
As I have stated before:
Do we really to cite again what was said?
This is all I need to post because it’s clear you joined just to argue…
And then to what I have replied to as first comment and later on what I have already cited:
I haven’t replied to the comment talking about actual range, I have replied to that. I have later on made statements on effective range which I was discussing, not actual ranges as they are not important. Even a tank well placed is able to hit targets and really high altitude.
Again, I talk about effective range and always were because:
It’s about the range, and your ignorance of it not being the effective range you claim, but actual deterrence range…
This is something you don’t want to accept or understand because it conflicts with your want to paint things out as stat-bound, and predicted outcomes.
From the beginning I was talking about effective range, I have already cited all the comments and what I have replied to and what You have replied to. Sorry but I won’t bother in destroying this topic more.
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Then you’ve missed the point of the statement. Read more, stop trying to argue points that weren’t even made just because you see me, making a statement…
My stats don’t matter, I don’t argue out of spite as you put it, and you’re always trying to make an argument out of it to force me into subbmission or to shout me down…
There’s nothing conversational, or worth discussing with you, because of that side of everything…
The topic at hand is already quite fiery… let’s avoid making it even worse.
It’s totally fine to argue and to disagree with someone as long as your behavior is within the guidelines. However, please try to avoid being passive aggressive just for the sake of provoking. It’ll just lead to more problems. Discussions can be held and disagreements can be settled.
Lastly, if something starts diving too deep into a personal dispute, then feel free to take it to PMs or to block someone that makes you feel uncomfortable. The option is there for a reason.
(avoid unnecessary comments such as: “Y’all should also block this guy…”)
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Yea, I frankly don’t think the suggestion to take it to PMs is wise because of the harrassing nature of ULQ to keep pushing buttons and making ascertions about skill and lack there-of at every turn just to goad and ignore the points raised.
Hence why…
Now please back to the topic.
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So, is there a way to quickly confirm if a ground main is trying to balance things or just want all CAS to die already? Will complaints on ImpChapp, 09, M247, Strela, etc or anything just do the job?
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