CAS problem

[sevengerv5o]

its called ground battles for a reason

[ULQ_LOVER]

@FrankenFact

It’s never as simple as that and while premiums may get changed I have not heard of a single one becoming unable to be played. Furthermore when you consider the amount of SPAA that a player can talisman you realize it’s more than just the vision that keeps Gaijin from ever doing a TO mode.

The thing is that all this vehicles could still be used in combined mode.

[gangsterism]

@サラトガ

They can’t just magically separate them because “the number of people complaining about CAS is only increasing”

exactly. so keep the current gamemode unchanged, and simply add a tank only gamemode.
SPAAs and aircraft are already separated, because aircraft get a dedicated gamemode, while SPAAs only get to play mixed battles. so do the same for tanks

@サラトガ

Vote with your wallet

well to any gaijin employee reading this, i assure you i would spend MUCH more money if i played tank-only instead of mixed garbage

@FrankenFact

It’s never as simple as that and while premiums may get changed I have not heard of a single one becoming unable to be played

we are talking about adding a gamemode this whole time.
adding TO does not remove the current existing gamemode, and CAS can keep playing it.

@FrankenFact

You act like this issue is just top tier, from what I see it’s something that will exist as long as planes and helis can destroy tanks.

the issue is gigantic at top tier, but i didnt say CAS isnt infuriating at any BR

@FrankenFact

staying the same no matter how much it goes up because unlike before it’s not a universal consensus

hating CAS is relatively universal, and definitely one of the most universal things in war thunder for what thats worth.

@FrankenFact

reaction from Gaijin never was to remove CAS; so what makes you think they will now lol?

i never suggested to remove CAS. again, just add another gamemode for tanks only.
aircraft have a gamemode, tanks should too.
isnt this so simple? nothing is being removed, nobody is being “harmed”, why do you see this as physically impossible?

[Rinhord]

The only thing i agree here is: That there was times that where even more stupid, that most of theses times it was 1 or 2 broken vehicles or a mechanic that was fkt up for a few weeks. Not more.
They are working on ghetting the absurdly OP stuff out right now, but they are doing it in a way that is absurd… like the Ka-52 gets modules but the prem Ka-50 only months later? like wtf? Or how broken was the 2s38 or the obj 279? thats all not to long ago and they dont stop doing this sceme, so there is no change to this behaviour.

its shit and drives people of the game, or how do you explain the shitton of reports that address this and also the not increasing playerbase? Its not because its fun to get wiped from smt u cant do shit against. I would say this (any many more) is an issue that should be addressed. And one solution could be a tank only mode. but as i saied… why should they? nothing to sell there that cant be sold in the combined battles… and the argument that cas would lose worth… well tanks would gain it back so…

and about the “prem does not get changed so bad that u cant play the prem anymore” … if i buy a prem or even multiple to play a certain BR… and they change some of that in BR … u think thats fine? Well i really disagree… if i buy smt i have bought it in this excakt state. If the surrounding change, thats okay… but changing my F1 Car to F2 while i also bought 3 other F1 cars for the same race is bullshit. Changeing it to make it balanced, thats fine… but changing BR or even Rank… thats absolut assmove… and with talis… i buy a shit ton of them and also a shit ton of these tali vehicles got extremly changed in BR or even rank… one good example is the F9F… i have grinded with it… bought a tali for it cause i liked it… then they changed its rank one rank lower and did i got any compensation for it? no. Or the T20… was rank 3 on 5.3… not its rank 4 at 6.3… i build a whole prem deck with multiple vehicles around it… now i can only use a few of them anymore as they are not vialble at 6.3… there are bazillion examples for this and i dont think its fair or even consumer friendly at all. I wouldnt wonder if its even illegal and if u go in front of court they would have atleast a discussion about it, at least here in germany. As all u buy in a Video game is “geistiger eigentum” and changing it so u cant use it for the intendet purpose of the buyer, is generally illegal… how for u can go here idk… but i remember in WoW was smt similar in front of court and Blizzard lost back then and needed to refund.
But that dosnt matter… at the end its super consumer unfriendly how they handle it.

[Fragal]

+1 to additional tank only mode, make it a nice little check box under the battle mode selection - fanks

[AlvisWisla]

@bertgame 4 for 4.

[gangsterism]

bump
gaijin add tank-only gamemode it will take 5 minutes to do this and you know it

[Pangolin_Fan]

@FrankenFact

we’ll have to grind out and spawn in SPAA

Oof, that will require that CAS haters get good at the game first XD

[2112SLM]

@FrankenFact

@NewDawnSets

It boils down to money because SPAA’s, helicopters and to a lesser extent planes are all combined arms aspects that people can and have put time and money into. The one thing Gaijin doesn’t take lightly is messing with stuff people have put money into because let’s face it: adding a tank only gamemode is on some level taking away from what those players invested in. What if you bought a SPAA or heli or whatever thinking it’s a crucial component of GRB and now you learn you can just hop in “tanks only” and skip all that? You purchased something and the value was modified, not something to be taken lightly. That’s why Gaijin will compensate you for the meager pennies you lose when they remove a modification that probably cost sub 300 GE.
I could go on all day about the possible consequences here.

Fallacy. The only way Gaigin would lose money on TO is if CAS players got bent and stopped playing in protest. Since we know that is not going to happen then your assertion is inherently wrong.

Being that there are many, many players that would prefer TO they would not lose those player’s money, and the current CAS players would stick with the combined arms games.

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@NewDawnSets

This is really going to explode your mind but the truth is GRB is a gamemode that can be enjoyable to all kinds of players.

Your opinion, which cannot be said of all players, thus a fallacy. Many players do not want to “enjoy” CAS, they want to fight ground vehicles only. I know: “Mind Exploded!”

Putting in a TO game would not harm the devs one bit. It may harm the players who like CAS as they will have less targets to shoot at, but there is always ARB or AAB they can play.

[gangsterism]

@FrankenFact

You don’t have to be a CAS main, SPAA main or tank main to enjoy playing GRB, in fact it’s always better to be a ‘everything’ main in GRB.

this is one of the most trivial to disprove theories ever

[NewDawnSets]

So you would have no issue with player controlled SPAA being added to the air gamemode, right? I mean surely this wouldn’t cause any issues since SPAA isn’t that good against planes… Which would mean they aren’t that good in ground… Hm…

[Pangolin_Fan]

@NewDawnSets

So you would have no issue with player controlled SPAA being added to the air gamemode, right?

As long as both team have an equal amount of SPAA and planes, I don’t see what the issue is.

[gangsterism]

@Pangolin_Fan

As long as both team have an equal amount of SPAA and planes, I don’t see what the issue is.

its expected you wouldnt be able see what the issue is in a gamebreaking game change that exactly 0% of the playerbase would want or like.
thats the mentality you need to defend CAS

[Pangolin_Fan]

You do realize that the bigger map size means everyone would be able to just ignore the SPAA if they want, right?

[Burgermankillz]

just play murica:

• you dont need to worry about planes
• you doont need to research spaa’s

[NewDawnSets]

So why should planes be able to be in a gamemode with such small maps?

[Pangolin_Fan]

Because the small maps make it harder to avoid SPAA. If SPAA were in ARB, everyone would have the option to ignore them cause the battlefield is hundreds of miles across, but in GRB, the battlefield is only 1 or 2 miles across.

[Ghost_Rider12]

Aircraft in ground forces just ruin the game tbh. Nothing worse than having stuff like Yak 9’s running around deleting half the team because the dev’s thought it would be a great idea to give it APHE ammo…

Honestly yet again the devs do something dumb and very questionable.

[FrankenFact]

Except you forget none of this made these vehicles any less playable besides lowering or increasing the amount of dopamine you get from it lol. When that aspect changes they care a lot, e.g. NVD modification gets removed everyone gets immediately compensated for it even though it’s a tiny tiny loss.

@Rinhord

its shit and drives people of the game, or how do you explain the shitton of reports that address this and also the not increasing playerbase?

This game has a shit ton of reports on everything all the time all day long, on top of people spamming dumb reports, drama over someone’s countries favorite tank not being as good as they think or whatever. The laundry list for Gaijin is a incredibly long if you care enough to read the bug reports.
Also not increasing playerbase…it’s been at it’s highest ever for the past like 2 or 3 years lol and thinking a singular issue like CAS is going to make it’s playerbase rise or fall is pretty naive considering the scale of the game. This thread does not represent the rest of the playerbase unsurprisingly.

[Vennem]

I’ve just started playing top tier ground and I keep getting thunderstruck out of nowhere by choppers early in the match. Is this normal o.0 ?