Canadian Cruiser Tanks & Variants - Technical Data and Discussion

[Jarms]

Aren’t there different hull variations? With 6-Pdr and 75mm on earlier and later hulls?

[l2ulan]

I’m very new to the Rams so had no idea about the late cast hull MG. Is there a definitive list of which variants were exported to which country postwar? eg. Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal

[StormRyder13]

@Jarms

Aren’t there different hull variations? With 6-Pdr and 75mm on earlier and later hulls?

Eh, sorta? Still going through and added variants, but there are a few I’m unsure if they existed(do to conflicting info), like a Ram II with an MG turret and 6-pdr Mk V.

@l2ulan

Is there a definitive list of which variants were exported to which country postwar? eg. Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal

Planning on adding operator nations soon. For the Ram, what I can remember is that Canada, the UK, the Netherlands operated it, and the US & Switzerland tested a variant.

I believe Portugal used some Girzzlys and their variants, but I’ll have to double-check on the Girzzly side of things.

[Pheonix_RX01]

Very nice

[super_cacti]

Thanks for linking my Dutch RAM tank suggestions.

@l2ulan

Is there a definitive list of which variants were exported to which country postwar? eg. Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal

The Netherlands bought all the 40 QF75 armed Ram 2’s after the war. Together with this order were also two RAM Command tanks (From what I know these are RAM 2 tanks with dummy guns), and two RAM I ARV recovery vehicles.

This is taken from the “Wiel en Rups” book by Sander Ruys

[WiseMinerva]

Nice work, are we discounting the Canadian built Valentine?

[StormRyder13]

Valentine is an infantry tank. So, well, not discounting, they don’t belong here as this thread covers cruiser tanks.

[WiseMinerva]

I’m an idiot, I completely forgot it was an infantry tank

[Jarms]

RAM Mk. II “A”

RAM Mk. II “A” [image] poll WD numbers CT39831 to CT39980 History: On July 15th 1940 a member of the British War Office had a meeting with a member of the Canadian National Defence Headquarters and discussed the possibility of Canada becoming a producer of cruiser tanks. Following this meeting, on the 15th of August 1940 the Minister of National Defence approved the creation of Canadian Armoured Corps formations. Once the formations were created they lacked the one thing that is important t…

Ram Mk. II "B"

RAM Mk.II “B” [image] WD numbers CT39981-CT40100 poll History: On July 15th 1940 a member of the British War Office had a meeting with a member of the Canadian National Defence Headquarters and discussed the possibility of Canada becoming a producer of cruiser tanks. Following this meeting, on the 15th of August 1940 the Minister of National Defence approved the creation of Canadian Armoured Corps formations. Once the formations were created they lacked th…

RAM Mk. II “C”

RAM Mk. II “C” [image] WD numbers CT40101 to CT40437 poll History: On July 15th 1940 a member of the British War Office had a meeting with a member of the Canadian National Defence Headquarters and discussed the possibility of Canada becoming a producer of cruiser tanks. Following this meeting, on the 15th of August 1940 the Minister of National Defence approved the creation of Canadian Armoured Corps formations. Once the formations were created they lacke…

Ram Mk. II "D"

RAM Mk. II “D” [image] WD numbers CT40438 - CT40937 poll History: [image] On July 15th 1940 a member of the British War Office had a meeting with a member of the Canadian National Defence Headquarters and discussed the possibility of Canada becoming a producer of cruiser tanks. Following this meeting, on the 15th of August 1940 the Minister of National Defence approved the creation of Canadian Armoured Corps formations. …

Ram Mk. II "CT150000 series" (Final/Late)

RAM II “CT150000 series” [image] WD numbers CT159402 to CT160193 poll History: On July 15th 1940 a member of the British War Office had a meeting with a member of the Canadian National Defence Headquarters and discussed the possibility of Canada becoming a producer of cruiser tanks. Following this meeting, on the 15th of August 1940 the Minister of National Defence approved the creation of Canadian Armoured Corps formations. Once the formations were create…

Found them. There’s several hull variants. Some of the earlier ones can be found with either a 6-Pdr Mk III or Mk V. Some of the later ones can be found with either a 6-Pdr Mk V or QF 75mm. For example:

75mm with auxiliary turret hull.

75mm with late hull with ball mount.

[StormRyder13]

Ya, I have those suggestions linked and both 75mm ones, have an entry.

My starting post should have every Ram and Grizzly variant that I can easily find now.

[Thatz]

Ram 3"

[Thatz]

Yeah a bunch of them were also just left in europe as it would of costed too much to ship many of the ram tanks back to Canada

[Thatz]

Also history of the skink. History of the Skink | War Thunder Wiki

[StormRyder13]

Bug report for the 3.7 AA Ram for missing HE-TF shell by one @l2ulan
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/lhC5f33gfclQ

[l2ulan]

Yeah there was a previous HE-TF report but it seems to have been notabug’d based on… BR? I have no idea what the guy is talking about, the QF 3.7 Ram is BR 5.3 when the Flakbus, Yag-10, and Pizzabus are between BR 3.3 & 4.0.

Possibly they misunderstood the report as a request for a proxy round, which is not available for the 3.7, only normal timed fuze.

[l2ulan]

Thank you @lxtav for providing the source used in the report.

As seen below, the Mk 1****, Mk 5, and Mk 5/1 shells are all able to be fitted with VT (variable timing) fuzes.

Source

[lxtav]

SAP would also be quite nice and a couple more AP shells wouldnt go wrong either.

Biggest issue with the 3.7 in my experience js finding shell evidence, very little public info seems to be available on it, even as far as many sources claiming it lacked AP shells entirely.

[l2ulan]

Yeah, and as I wasn’t able to find concrete information in the document regarding them (and we do already have the APCBC round shown) I decided to narrow down the report to just the HE-TF.

[Thatz]

Is there reports or records of the 3.7 ram firing HE-TF? From the achives or microfilm?

Just because the 3.7 AA could doesnt mean the ram 3.7 ever did.

I believe it did but having archival evidence would heavily support the claim.

[l2ulan]

I haven’t looked for test reports or anything, I’m not familiar with the vehicle.

Mostly I’m just trusting that the normal selection of ammunition compatible with the QF 3.7 in Mk 2 would have been available. Ammunition is used to balance, and I see adding the HE-TF as something of a no-brainer when the APCBC is already present.