Chieftains? There is a plane with that name? Because I have no idea why you’d ask that in the air thread rather then the ground one
If you’re talking tanks, then no, we used Cents until we had to get a new MBT. but that’s a convo for the ground thread.
The mentality of “only top tier matters” is boring as all hell and most definitely not the majority of players. Canada deserves a tech tree for its overall contribution and historical relevancy.
its the goal of many players and the main reason most join.
Might they along the way learn to love the more funkier stuff at lower brs? Definitly, but it isnt what gets the attraction.
Look at the playerbase, at every corner they complain about another merkava, magach, T-80. Leopard and so on being added. Same for Air, they are exhausted and dont want to grind trough the same crap the X time. Canada has historical relevance. But the playerbase is annoysed to hell about “copy pastes” of another sherman modification and so on. It needs to be hugely different to the base version, both playwise and visualy for the playerbase not to get bored or annoyed.
Example being the 2a4M can being relatively unique. Those factors canada just realy cant provide.
In Air it goes from ugh another UK tree to another US tree. Modified yes, but not enough
In my experience, the loud people that yap the most, in society in general, do not represent the majority of opinions.
oh shit mb
and yet they are what gajin needs to base their opinion on if the others dont speak at all.
Its the hardcore canadian fans supporting standalones mostly or the integration into the UK.
But like already stated gajin already showed they path how they wanna handle it with india, netherlands and belgium. Those nations like canada are not unique enough.
You are invited to explain how australia and or canada is better then those countries and deserve being entitled.
As a subtree UK is full. Arguments could be done for Canada to go to the US, but that would be a massive mistake as well and i have a feeling canadians wouldnt like that
All good, I’m assuming you did it here because it was on top.
yeah.
83% of over 200 voters on this suggestion said yes. They may not be the people in RnR constantly talking about top tier, but they voiced their opinion nonetheless.
I’m not going to try and say Canada and Australia are more deserving than India or BeNeLux, almost everyone agrees those guys deserve better than some half hearted copy paste sub trees anyway, where most of their unique offerings are missing.
I will say that Canada and Australia combined have enough to be worthy of an independent tree together, I don’t really feel either one could stand alone. Not when you consider air, ground and naval as a whole.
voting part is to a big part because people that just dont care about those aspects just dont click on it to begin with.
I dont realy care either ,that is why i didnt vote either.
To the most part i just state the case how it looks overall and how gajin is handling the matter.
Canada mostly makes goot premiums, events, squadron.
Does the treatment suck, definitly.
But there just isnt enough to justify its addition when there still is bigger money makers left with a way bigger industry like south and north korea, turkey and east europe.
All having intresting indiginous projects that are unique to their country or at least very heavily modified stuff like the T-84 Oplot.
All things considered canada and australia would just end up way down on the totem pole of likely additions when there is bigger money makers
My boy Does the normal leopard have mine protaction? Does it have slat armor? It was Modified for the Canadian military. also most of the game is Low tier my guy.
I can’t argue with the notion that there are other trees that could be added which might make more money like a united Korea tree, but then this is the suggestions part of the forum where players can express what they want in the game. To me, Canada is second on the list of countries I want to see get a tree right next to Australia.
Although if that isn’t a combined independent tree, we really need the Sub Tree Folders suggestion to happen to get decent representation for any sub tree from anywhere on Earth moving forward.
Btw, T-84 Oplot is a bad example, itself just being a modified T-80, and of all the MBTs that could get more variants, I think people are most fed up with T-80s. It’s less unique than an LAV, or a Hawkei NASAMS, or even an AS21 Redback that’s based on the Korean K21. Because unlike the T-80, there aren’t already like 5 million K21s in the game.
And let’s not forget either, Korea starts at probably rank 4 or 5, Canada and Australia start at rank 1…
Germany has that yes lol. Are you aware of how many different leopard versions germany did employ over the years. The mineplate was an upgrade programm already planned during the TVM time of the Leopard. Canada adopted the german developed solutions yes.
Gajin just didnt implement a better 2a6 version, 2a6M in this case, or the most modern one 2A6(M)A3 now in this case even. and boom you got the canadian leopard in the german tree
The most canada did is weld the slat armor on. Which is by far enough difference and in terms of for war thunder mostly cosmetic.
As i said your argument doesnt matter. Low tier is part of the grind mostly.
And you trying to argue about Leopards with a german with all the sources to back the claims up. So maybe consider your claims. Canadian Leopards arent unique besides the 2a4M CAN.
Hell if you wanna talk about how special the slat armor is.
Here have the Leopard 2E Tortuga
Either way, if you want to further argue about leopards i would want to invite you to take it to the canadian ground threat at the very least
Here is the thing, do priority of canada and australia arent realy relevant to me. The reason i started writing in here is because someone
Started complaining that Sweden with unique giant CV series, multiple unique aircrafts that were indiginous designed in all brs. And israel with the Merkava and heavy modified planes, mostly being just as bad as canada, but at least getting access to unique weaponry.
Are somehow a worse addition then Canada which brings nothing of intrest compared to the other 2.
Do they have as much history and relevance as canada? No, but for the game addition those trees still where way healthier then Canada will ever be.
And Israel propably partialy was one of the main reason they decided that half assed trees like benelux, india, canada shouldnt be a thing anymore
I mean yeah, a unique vehicle will always be better then a heavily modified vehicle. The samething is true for air. Canada has only “T-84 oplots” in air. Now go look towards turkey TAI KAAN, korea KF-21.
Already more intresting then canada will ever be in the future.
Like i said canada has LAVs yes, but its by far not enough to be relevant. Thats why i support stuff like turkey, korea and east europe (they do have more stuff besides oplot even if heavily russian influenced still). But claiming canada should have been added before sweden and israel already is plane wrong.
Same with canada being more intresting then those other named nation.
Of course everyone can have his own opinions, but only looking at it objectivly and realisticaly canada is worse then those other nations
So Turkey and Korea have one or two heavily modern jets and that makes them better than Canada with all its unique content dating back to pre-WW2? I think you’re either just trying to diss Canada as part of a personal agenda, or you legit have no clue what you’re on about. Nothing about what you have said seems “objective”, objective observations require facts.
I have been corrected internaly even the slat armor was done by germany for canada
So yeah canada doing nothing themself
its not only the jets, but the ground stuff as well. Overall those 2 nations have more stuff then canada at top tier yes.
yes, like i stated preww2 stuff by far is not enough anymore for gajin
gajin being a money based company, leading a lot of their opinions based on money?
Every project needing to take in enough money to be justified is not objective and realisticaly looked at?
Low tier stuff doesnt make money in any way or form, thats why we see premiums for it rarely.
You dont buy premium for low tier stuff. You dont skipp research with GE for low tier stuff.
This holds all true to later coldwar, when the progress gets slower and slower.
Gajin doesnt make money with lower ranked stuff, for most of it. Honestly that german pack is one of the fewest recent premium additions, which is brilliant and highly praised, but to a big part cause its a bundle of 3 vehicles is the reason it does make money and required less work then new vehicles
