I agree it wouldn’t make sense as a nuke plane for any existing tree
However at the same time I think that this would be best saved for an independent Canadian tree and it given to the US
The US already has the F-104A/C, and the F-104G and CF-104 are both pretty much the same as the A/C in terms of flight performance, slight downgrade even. And this doesn’t exactly have countermeasures nor AIM-9J, no missiles at all apparently.
So even lower BR F-104?
Oh, by the way
Danish and Norwegians bought the CF-104 from Canada.
Will there be any chance for Sweden?
AFAIK, Gaijin never officially announced either Denmark or Norway as a sub-tree of Sweden, but it seems they like to add vehicles from these to Sweden.
Maybe at this rate, I guess Sweden will have the highest chance of grabbing CF-104 outside of Canada.
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On top of that, there’s stuff to put them apart. As they did use AIM-9s on theirs.
Unlike Canada, which went, you know what would be a good idea to use the Stairfighter for, CAS.
If USA gets the Canadian version of CF-104
The lowest BR option may be in the same BR as F-104A/C and will act like Su-7 on soviets, I guess.
F-104, which has a lower BR than 9.3, will be ruthless and ruin the early jet era even worse.
Even without AIM-9B, I don’t think a Supersonic jet needs to get lower than 9.3BR, and Su-7/Q-5(early) will be the eastern counterpart of CF-104, maybe.
They also don’t have R-3S equivalent, but in 9.3BR.
I mean the F-104 itself is a pretty old jet that trades everything for speed, and the F-104G the CF-104 is based off of being a downgrade in FM from what I’ve heard, as well as CF-104 not having missiles, could make it 9.0
I see there’s a discussion about the F-104G here, and it caught my attention. I’d like to point out that there’s already an open suggestion for the F-104G to be added to the US tech tree:
IMO, I’d like to see the F-104G added as a premium Starfighter for the US. Meanwhile, the UK, other nations, or even an independent Canadian tree can have their CF-104 variant as they see fit.
Ultimately, +1 for the UK.
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That one has 4 sidewinders and countermeasures.
This one has no sidewinders and i didn’t see any mention of countermeausres in specifications
Anyways, why should the UK get something they have no connection to whatsoever?
Neither the F-104A nor the F-104C has countermeasures. Both do carry only two AIM-9Bs, but still no flares or chaff. Meanwhile, other nations already have fully equipped Starfighters with advanced missiles and countermeasures. That’s exactly why the US needs the F-104G as its ultimate, advanced Starfighter.
The US tree doesn’t need yet another flareless F-104 with minimal missile capability or none. This is why I strongly advocate for the F-104G to be added to the US tech tree.
Political connection. Commonwealth. Like the Aussie F-111C for the UK. That’s my stance. You’re absolutely welcome to disagree with it at any time. At the end of the day, Gaijin has the final say.
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this is debatable, i think commonwealth had nothing to do with it bc UK players wanted an F-111 but since the K was cancelled they add the C, not becuase of commonwealth or Australian ties, but because of the fact that there was no other F-111 to add that wasnt USAF
i would personally like to see an even lower, more basic F-104, the XF-104 could fill this role but it is much slower being a prototype. CF-104 would maintain the high speed while not having the sidewinders to hold the BR up.
the XF-104 also tries to kill its pilot
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I’m aware that this was a major factor in Gaijin choosing to add the F-111C in place of the F-111K. However, from my perspective, that wasn’t a strong justification, and I don’t believe it was the right decision. The F-111K, being a partially built prototype, should have been added to the UK tech tree in the first place.
Anyway, I’ll stop myself from going off-topic regarding this aircraft.
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IMO, 9.3BR is acting like hard cap for supersonic jet.
CF-104 might be worse than F-104A/C, but i don’t think it should be same BR with Marut, Hunter, Vatour or Etendard.
It will still retain M61 vulcan, and still will be one of fastest supersonic jet in 9.3BR.
I guess CF-104 will still be better than Su-7 or Q-5(Early)
IMO, If CF-104 need to be lower BR than F-104A/C, sending F-104A/C higher (maybe decompression needs to be required for it) seems better idea.
I am bit worring about CF-104 in 9.0BR eventually lead into sending Sabre/MiG-15 even lower.
Trees that meanwhile don’t have the same options as the US, except perhaps China. The reality is the US ditched the F-104 rather quickly for superior aircraft like the F-4, F-106, F-5, and others. The nations with kitted out F-104s only did so because they couldn’t afford to purchase new, better aircraft and instead made do upgrading what they already had.
can this carry sidewinders? bc if not then it would prob mean a lower br and oh my god i do not want a f104 at 9.0
AFAIK Canadian didn’t but friends in exports did
As far as I know it’s has the capability to use them(I don’t recall seeing anything about need for modifications to use them for the other nations to use them), however they where never in service with Canada.
Canada didn’t have much for Aim-9s, some B’s for the Banshees and M/L(Iirc) with the Hornet.
well, if gaijin gave flares to the f5c because the chinese equiped flares on theirs, then i dont see why this shouldnt get them then
+1 for the only place this can rightly go, a Canadian tech tree. Or a Canadian sub tree folder for the UK.
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CF-104s don’t have the M61, the space was instead used for fuel
That is incorrect the gun wasn’t removed fully. It could be removed and replaced by a fuel cell, however it still could use the gun(and even had it for a number of points of time).
Heck it’s right here in this photo that lays out it’s armament.
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