A majority of Canadian equipment was licensed from the US or other foreign countries.
The US, however, provided significant assistance at various times. It’s not as simple as “oh, cause Canada didn’t use a lot of US stuff.” It also goes down to economic as well as political".
This opinion needs to die. The Canadians used:
- British Light Tank Mk VI’s
- British & Canadian produced Valentines
- British Matilda’s
- British Crusaders
- US M3 Lee’s
- Canadian produced Ram’s
- British Churchill’s
- British Cromwell’s
- US M3 Stuart’s
- US M4 Sherman’s
- Canadian produced Grizzly’s
- British Firefly’s
- US M10’s
- British Achilles
- US Staghounds
- US Chaffee’s
- British Centurions
- German Leopard 1A3’s
- German Leopard 1A5’s
- German Leopard 2’s
The majority of Canadian equipment wasn’t from the US. As a member of the British and Commonwealth forces they predominantly had British equipment up until the end of WW2. Even post-war with the purchase of Centurion tanks.
The US stuff only relates to things like Ram and Grizzly production. Even then that doesn’t make them US tanks, in the end they were still designed and built by Canadians.
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Well, your point is correct; you do have a number of incorrect vehicles.
For the Valentines, Canada was only allowed to keep a tiny amount of what it built, hence why there is only a suggestion for only one variant of the Valentine for Canada right now, as I can’t prove if we used any others. Unless you’re counting the Archer under that statement for Valentines(it’s lack of suggestion, shares a common problem with the majority of Canada’s possible C&P, a lack of info)
As of the Crusaders and Cromwells, I haven’t ever seen any evidence that we used them at all. As our unit in Europe went: Churhills(+ Covenanter) → Rams → Shermans. There is a bit more nuance(and missing vehicles), but that’s the basic outline
Else, you are correct, the majority of your US equipment during WW2 coming from British stocks over directly from the US. There is one time Canada bought and was made up of basically pure US C&P, and that was directly after WW2, where we left most of our stuff in Europe, so to have any equipment, we bought the unshipped lend-lease equipment. The closest thing to US C&P after that would likely be the M113 and Jeep variants that just about everyone else also did.
Canada tried its hardest to avoid buying directly from the US and tried to get around, leading it to license-build a lot, and domestic-build to, leading to the LAVs.
For others, who TLDR: UK C&P makes up most of Canada’s C&P, well, US ones are a minority to even Canada’s domestic built stuff.
No, I’m not wrong. I’ll send you photos tomorrow.
As a Canadian I would love this idea but there are some shortcomings, for example there may not be enough vehicles to make a tech tree, especially the air and helicopter tree. Most of the tanks added to this tree would just be copy paste with the rare Canadian vehicles, but if we add the Canadian tree as a tech tree it shouldn’t be under the US tech tree but the British tech tree.
Taken directly from the Library and Archives Canada, the Canadians also used Crusader AA Mk III’s in Europe. Still tracking down other Canadian Crusaders.
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Ah, found the Crusader. I forgot we used the AA variant of it, my bad. SilverHawk site says we used some for training, but neither photo suggests it is part of the Canadian army.
You sure that’s Canadian and not just a Crusader photo that ended up in our Archives? As Thatz and others have found photos of British and American prototypes we never even touched in our archives. Ok, looking at it, the stuff on the page suggests, but the lack of marking isn’t great, I’ll look into it further myself too.
Looking into the Cromwell, stuff suggests we used Centaur variants (so if you’re counting that, then all good, you are correct), but Cromwells themselves were only used by other nation units attached to the Canadian army.
This is a 1st Canadian Army Cromwell (though it may be a Polish crew).
you are wrong however canada uses vics from all over so what.
Shows Cromwell’s in Canadian Army
Is wrong
1st Page.
Centaurs in Canadian service.
Centaur and Cromwell in Canadian service.
Centaur and Cromwell in Canadian service.
Last page.
A Canadian Centaur.
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It’s most likely Polish. As I said earlier, Cromwell was used by other nations attached to the Canadian army.
With it being used by 1st (Czechoslovakian) Independent Armoured Brigade Group at Dunkirk as part of the First Canadian Army (liberation most likely) and 1st Polish Armoured Division who served under command of First Canadian Army in North-West Europe in 1944/45.
That image, potentially.
See above for Canadian Cromwell’s and Centaurs, at least the CS versions.
Crusader Mk II in Canadian service:
Crusader Mk III in Canadian service (6-Pdr Mk V):
Crusader AA Mk III in Canadian service:
Ditto.
Ditto:
Cromwell in Canadian service:
Ditto.
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Lets also not forget the aircraft and naval forces as well (iirc weren’t Canada the main operators of the Swordfish MK.4?)
I think the Mk 4 was made for the RCAF, in the first place, but don’t quote me on that, as half the links on a Google for the Mk 4 don’t work and the rest link back to Wikipedia.
As for air fully, it bounces between Canadian-built X and US and/or British-built of the same thing. As for stuff Canada didn’t also build, it’s mostly British(I have a line of C&P Spitfires after all)
As for I’m not too sure.
(I would have respond sooner but, the froums did that thing where it didn’t want to show me the thread I follow had a new post)
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As much as i love Canada i dont see it as separate tech tree. Most of their techs is either british or US techs with minor changes throughout the years, and some uniques can be easilly added to any other producer of that uniques. Game has enought copypaste slop already, and such should be mocked and met with anger, rather than with likeability.
Lol, Canada is mostly C&P. Sure if you only look at MBTs. But if an new engine, different weapons etc, are only minor changes then how many vehicles in game are pointless?
You can make entire ranks of just stuff Canada built itself, in both ground and air. Calling Canada pure C&P is validating the US means who want to claim all Canadian domestic vehicles(like the LAVs) as domestic to them. Heck, it’s been some time since I counted and just ground had over 100 unique vehicles, even if it’s less then that now, between the ground and air tree that number is way higher. And those tree are blanket trees, can easily be cut to 4 ground and 3 air for the bare minimum copy and paste, and why having the ANZACs paired up with them is becoming popular(less C&P and some gap fillers)
So status quo? Where you need to buy all the Canadian vehicles at 100+ dollars and can’t even use them in a line-up together?
News flash, threads like this exist because Canadians and people interested in Canadian Tech are sick of it. It’s why the Canadian tree suggestions exist, why CANZ tree suggestions are being made.
I’ll start hating the realism of a nation getting stuff it used when people stop thinking ripping a nation apart is the best case in a game were line-ups are a core feature.
Oh and when US and Germany mains stop throwing a hissy fit so to Canadians want a home in either the British tree or some sort of independent one, because they can’t claim to he world or other people’s domestic as domestic to them.
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I mean, if the difference in engine is only a country where it was procuded? yes
As i know during WW2 Canada produced 2 new tanks based on Shermans which is cool, then some machines based on that tanks too, that`ll make rank 3. And then… Nothing?
any other WW2 machinery is either Brtish provided (Cruisers, Churchills, Cromwells) which even being constructed in Canada make them no different from British, and then the US provided - Stuarts, Lee, Shermans, Staghounds. Then during Cold War it was them again - Centurions, Ferrets, LAVs. And only then it became… No, not self-made MBT. A Leopard!
So… Whatchubout?
Im really in interest to hear what Canada developed on its own, not just produced the licensed copy of US and British tank. Id love to hear that! I really want it ingame!
So, make Gaijin create FREE versions of that techs? I mean i also find it stupid that they add the CAN Leos to Germany, the CAN Rams to Britain, and the CAN Stuarts to US. But thats what needs to be changed, no? THe way they add things based on only their mind, when in some places thats a “subtree” and “frienship” and in some its “producer” or “well balance”.
i dont think that the nationalism is a worthy way of making lineups and trees. And i wish to keep that nationalism away from the game of tanks. But i support the idea of keeping nations “linked” to a tree if they want to add tanks of that nation. Because that makes more sense than having 4 canadas as nations on the customized line xD
Still i dont find the way of creating copypaste trees the way to get away from that
i dont think we can anytime do that xD
Them throwing tantrum each time they dont get another copypaste is as hillarious as its sad.