Can we talk about how ridiculous the F-16AM is at BR 13.7?

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Can we talk about how ridiculous the F-16AM is at BR 13.7?

The aircraft gets only 23 countermeasures, which is already a joke when you’re facing multiple Fox-3 missiles every match. If you want a usable amount of flares/chaff, you have to sacrifice AIM-120s and fly with bombs instead.

So the choice is:

  • Take AIM-120s and have almost no survivability.
  • Take extra countermeasures and lose your main BVR capability.

At BR 13.7, where everyone is slinging active radar missiles, this tradeoff makes absolutely no sense. The F-16AM is forced into an unnecessary handicap compared to many aircraft it faces.

23 flares at top tier? Seriously?

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You get 30 normal and 15 large, not sure where do you get the 23 countermeasures

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it’s basically the same as the swedish f-16am or the japanese OCU at 13.7.

IMO all 13.7 f-16s can easily be moved to 13.3, they’re all worse than their sukhoi counterparts at the same br

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bruh fighter jets 13.7 has 10x more than this jet… JAS39D 13.7 has 4x160 thats 640 countermeasures

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You can get more if you want, still not 23 countermeasers, also it isn the only plane in the game with low countermeasure count, the mig 29m get 60 normal which is arguably worse as 1 large countermeasures is better than 2 normal

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x45 the same as any other F-16A all the way from 12.3

You literally don’t, just pick up the PTIDS without the bomb on a single pylon and you’ll just have x5 AAM

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no, we don’t need more compression

Su-27SM & J-11B up to 14.0
Su-30MKs up to 13.7
J-11A too (maybe, depends on how it performs due to its lacklustre RWR)

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Su-27SM cant go to 14.0 because of N001 and the 2000-5F, Pl12 got nerfed so the J11B also cant move up.

Just move the Su-30MK’s up as is

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I fail to see how the 13.7 f-16 like the f-16am is better than something like the f-16mlu in the Chinese tech tree which is already at 13.3 anyways. Both have a loadout of 6 AMRAAMs which is what 90 percent of people take.

Aim 9ms are hardly relevant

Better to jsut move every f16 down

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HMS CMs + MAWS (and the already mentioned 9Ms, they do make a difference especially in the stock grind) maybe

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…45?

If you mainly stay low (using terrain or multipath), take more flares than chaff. If you mainly stay high, take more chaff than flares.

This also isn’t the only aircraft with low CM count at 13.7. The other F-16As at this BR have 30s + 15L.

And its fine at 13.7. One of the better F-16As in fact.

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Lets not. The solution to compression is decompression, not more compression.

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cms are the same essentially other than the 16c version.
maws you only get while sacrificing a missile which imo ain’t worth it
stock grinding… yeah the 9ms makes it easier but once you’re spaded most people run the 6 aim-120 loado out

The best thing is decompression yes, but gaijin is not gonna decompress due to queue times so it’s not realistic honestly.

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Idk A-15 ADF was kind of torture compared to the C-50 just cause of the CMs and 9Ls (insert something about Su-30MKK).

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the Su-27SM is more than capable to contest the 2000-5F
I don’t think people realise just how incredibly strong the Su-27SM is in the right hands, and the new addition of the MiG-29Kr, which is frankly inferior than the SM, is still very good at it’s current BR of 13.7.
The Su-27 in comparison to the 2000-5F has
8x ARH missiles, sure not as strong as the MICA but potent nonetheless
4x R-73, which aren’t the best but nor are the magic 2s
a much better radar than the 2k (not really a high bar but whatever)
a much better flight model than the 2k
comparable countermeasures (sure you get less but they’re all large caliber single pop)
access to the R-27ER and ET, if wanted
I don’t see why it sits at 13.7 when it’s simply superior to vehicles such as the F-15Cs when it’s better in every regard
And no, the F-15C is fine

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the F-16 MLU is a strong aircraft for it’s BR, at least in my opinion
my favourite of the 13.3 F-16s is actually the D model, just because of it’s HMD and high CM count, even if it only has the Derby missile and a much inferior flight model

The AM shouldn’t move down, it’s one of the weaker 13.7s but at 13.3 it’d just be too strong.
And no, don’t bring the Su-30MKs up, they shouldn’t be at 13.3 anyway

PS: if you fly high, you won’t need that many. I’d personally recommend using all of the large caliber CMs as flares and the 30x remaining CMs as chaff
Again, I’d love an option to be able to choose which CM dispensers would be large or regular caliber, as that’d give you the option to choose between 30x large, 15x Large+30x regular, or 60x regular