Can we stop arguing over whether a particular vehicle is too strong or too weak?

Yeah, I agree.

Artificially nerfing a vehicle for the sake of maintaining at a perticular balance usually does more harm than good.

Like for example the state of BOL.

It was artificially nerfed 2+ years ago now to nerf the Gripen, and in the process nerfed a dozen other aircraft which have suffered every day since.

Even the strongest of the BOL carriers are impacted hard by having Chaff that basically does nothing.

Fix BOL, balance afterwards, imo, almost nothing would actually need correcting in terms of BR, because more than half of what is reliant on BOL is under performing loads anyway

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realism isn’t the heart of the game, money is

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Go play GHPC
Wt is not a simulator

Tbh, at this point, I think bug reports are entirely actioned based upon balance. Something performing too well? a few nerf reports get actioned. Performing poorly? here lets fix these things for you.

Yep, that’s how it is and ideally should be imo. (Well, more regarding nerfs, artificial buffs are something I don’t like and we should avoid)

This isn’t a game based on realism, it’s inspired by it.
Game needs balance.
If everything was realistic you wouldn’t ever achieve that

The issue is that is what they claim.

You cannot with one hand claim its based upon realism, whilst on the other use bug reports as a balancing tool, because that is just unfair.

They need to state and do one or the other, and not state one and do the other.

Its not balanced this way either, usually Gaijin picks the FOTM vehicle and buff the hell out of it, and everything else is just left to suffer quietly, ignored.

And heck, even bug reports that dont have any impact on balance at all. Take for example the Typhoons UV Filter missing for its cockpit HUD, reported back on the dev server dec 2024… Still not fixed…

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Bug reporting needs a massive rework honestly.
There’s 0 clarity and many bug reports are just ignored for no particular reason.

No, the game isn’t balanced well at all in its current state, however I vastly prefer this to the horrors that realism would bring

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Let alone the fact the Bug reporting site is trash. You search for something specific and you get everything but. Should work on a tag system. Search for reports about a weapon or vehicle, you only see reports for that weapon or vehicle.

I just dont think artificially nerfing certain vehicles, because an entirely different vehicle is performing okay is fair. Like they are doing with BOL currently.

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I’ve had 0 issues with BOL man.

BOL chaff is 1/4 the strength of regular chaff and about 1/5 to 1/6 the strength it probably should be.

Trying to notch in the Tonka F3 or FA2 is basically impossible.

And had multiple times today in the Typhoon, with the MAWS giving me precise notch angle, where 50-60 BOL chaff did absolutely nothing.

meanwhile in a Tonka GR4, I can usually defeat basically any fox-3 without any effort at all, with its Large chaff.

But if CM size can be used as a balancing tool, then drop the Su-30SM2 and Rafale down from large chaff to regular chaff and if they are still performing too well, micro chaff

Artificial nerfs will be needed, otherwise it’s impossible to balance them in a way that makes them fun.

IIR missiles for example, I see 0 ways in which they could actually be balanced properly with their actual IR seekers. You just end up cucking over pretty much everyone.

The issue is that you need to implement them in a way that actually is fair. Which gaijin cannot do

I really have not had major problems with it tbh, especially since you often get so, so much chaff

and so long as all seekers were handled the same, that would be fine. But if we have a situation like MICA EM again, where one missile is just way better than the rest… that isnt balanced anymore.

But again, is it really fair that hte Tonka F3 is artificially nerfed because the Gripen was performing well 2+ years ago?

Its just… unfair

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I drop on average 40-50 chaff per missile and even then, it sometimes does nothing.

This is with the missile at the right notch angle according to MAWS.

without that… you just cannot achieve the level of precision required in anything else. Its why I want Phimat pods on the F3s, because at least then we’d have chaff that worked.

But if it would change nothing, why deny the nearly 3 year old report?

Is it fair? No
But buffing BOL would also lead to buffing those high-cm count monsters.
Who already have such an easy time defending against missiles

That, sounds like something you’re doing wrong ngl
I’ve never had to use that much chaff for a single missile.
Even against MICAs I’d say

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So again, you artificially nerf one vheicle because of another that isnt fair.

By that same logic, lets nerf the CR2s reload rate because the Abrams is performing too well.

Lets reduce the AMRAAM count on the F-18s because the SU-30SM2 is doing too well.

etc etc.

Its just stupid.

Because f*ck you
There’s really no other reason for gaijin to be treating bug reports like this

Its only gotten worse with the Fox-3 buff, they seem to ignore chaff even more now. Most of the time im defeating missiles kinematically as chaff doesnt seem to work

That would be more like reducing AMRAAM count on F-18s as well as Su-30s because high missile count aircraft are cancer.

Which I’d be more than happy to see.

I don’t see the comparison here