Top tier is fine ,it is 6.0-8.3 that is problem now ,one nation has WW II tanks /planes ,other Star Trek stuff from 1980’s.
All Gaijin’s doing so don’t expect them to fix what they deliberately broke .
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But…but … you mean to say I could be trundling around at 8MPH in a German WW2 heavy totally reliant on 200mm of Armour in a game where the enemy has 400mm of pen? Gaijin would never create such a game surely and who would play it? Sounds totally ridiculous.
Who are you going to believe …Gaijin or your lying eyes.
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A German main is a player who concentrates solely on the German vehicle tree. Mostly for the one reason that these vehicles are said to be ‘invincible’ due to war propaganda.
However, most of these players have little or no idea about tanks and tactics. They continue to die their way up the ranks in the hope that the next tank will bring salvation without learning anything.
Surely these players also exist in other ranks. But the German nation is actually a magnet for bad players at the moment.
So far the halfway unspoken explanation is what a German main is.
Especially the BR range around 3.0 - 5.0 has really very good vehicles and yet the win rates are subterranean. At 6.7 you can discuss for a long time whether the Tiger II is really that good or not.
Personally, I like it, but it’s as big as a house and easy to take out of the game from the flank. From 7.0 it gets really ugly because the way it plays changes fundamentally. No more armour. If you haven’t learnt how to position yourself properly by then, you’re finished here at the latest.
That’s exactly what happened to me. I also started with the Germans and failed so hard at 8.0 that I limited myself to other nations and up to BR 6.7. Only now, after 10k battles, do I dare to go further up and there’s still a lot to learn here too.
I get this but what if the averages so called German main is American? Where does that leave Conte Barraca the OP?
So do we assume that stupid is as stupid does and that German mains are Americans who play " The best " of WW2 then jump ship to play the “Best” of top tier which must be 'Murca right, and just f**k it all up a second time? As we are doing assumptions is mine a good one?
Failing that what you have is the "fact " that Germans are stupid, unintelligent people who cant play a war based video game accept at top tier for some reason.Is it not more likely that at top tier ,most people have sorted themselves by nationality and the Germans play Germany Top tier and the Yanks play USA ,the Brits Britain etc etc
If we accept the OPs harsh and honest(read rude and offensive ) appraisal then we can accept what I put forward.
WW2 Germany is Americans and Top tier USA is Americans and the link there is Americans so Conte Barraca who is American(Ex service personnel) is somewhat F**ked.
Maybe he should go play Top tier Germany if he wants to win games,Now there is an irony for an American who thinks he is carrying Germans.
6.0 - 8.3 Germany is shitshow
RU/US/UK/FR …all have tanks on those BR’s that as far as Tiger II/Ferdinand/Maus/105/Panther 2 are just Point and Click.
Then add all ill judged additions of undertiered wheelie boys and no wonder game is losing players like dead dog loses fleas.
My last match on 7.7 as usual ended being full uptier ,using maus i shoot fox ,he loses back wheel and keeps driving.
No point talking about it as long as game is just World of Tanks but without Health Bars .
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Germany at 6.7 is still doing slow and armored.You can’t even compete with your allies never mind the enemy. It’s a broken element of the game that so many fail to see as broken.
Not broken ,working as intended …deliberate on part of gaijin.
For me personally, it makes little difference where the player comes from. Basically, I know from my squadron that many people from Germany also choose Germany as their first nation to play.
I can’t say much about the Toptier area because I don’t play there myself and I don’t dare to make a claim or form an opinion there.
I regularly check how my team was put together when I lose and it’s become apparent that new players have been playing in Germany recently, which is consistent with the data from the WT Data Project.
The fact that there are holidays in Germany now and many younger players are playing who may not have much experience may be the icing on the cake.
The situation has simply got worse. I wouldn’t put it down to intelligence, but rather to stubbornness.
By the way, I’m not very fond of my country either. If you decide to leave your country at the age of 38 and move to a country you’ve never seen before, you must have had a lot of experiences with your fellow human beings. Basically, everyone has to decide for themselves what value they attach to the term German Main. For me, it’s a term for someone who decides to move to this nation on the basis of what they’ve heard, which they have no idea about, but ignores the problems they encounter and seeks the solution from outside, and that over many, many battles.
Nothing to do with German players
I can tell straight away if i’m playing with germans
Entire first wave dies ,spawn and try again
Have turned thousands of battles around with German players ,it is USA/RU mains that play Germany now that are problem.
They spawn and straight away drive towards enemy spawn completely ignoring objectives .
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And I experience exactly this behaviour from players of the German nation. In the end, the truth will probably be that there are bad players in all of the three ‘big’ nations.
But do you really want to blame the other nations now? Isn’t that a bit too simplistic?
I don’t want to convince anyone of anything here. I’m just reflecting what I experience and have experienced.
To be honest Oldie I was stationed in Germany and went out with a German girl for a long time and I think it is a lovely country full of the best people in Europe.
What I don’t buy into is the permanent state of penitence you have there where you feel you should kneel and have your arses kicked by every other nation for something that went on nearly a century ago.I don’t take kindly to one nation on here having a go at another.I see USA attacking China, Russia and now Germany in this game.
I can understand why so many are chat banned.Some people just think they have a right to be racists because of history.We were not all put on this planet to kiss Uncle Sam’s arse. Lets stop with this German self loathing and attack on German mains ,Chinese Cheats and Communist Red Russians in their coat of Satalinium because it’s getting boring.
I don’t see Microsoft or any other US company wading in with a tank game of War Thunders quality anytime soon.If Americans don’t like this game or the company they have to keep they know what they can do.
I don’t want to attack anyone. It’s just a statement. My statement. It doesn’t have to be yours. I don’t expect you to accept it for yourself.
If you enjoyed your time in Germany, that’s OK.
Full agree on that. In Germany, this collective guilt is kept alive by the media. Every day, really every day, there are documentaries about the Second World War and how bad Germany was.
I have my reasons why I left Germany.
I’ve seen blood, drug abuse, fascism, left-wing radicals, violent police officers who don’t care who they’re dealing with, bullying, bossing and the political ignorance that’s letting this country dive into the abyss.
But that has a rather limited influence on my perception of players in this game.
When I talk about German mains, I really only mean players from this nation who play nothing other than this nation. There are also RU mains, US mains… They are simply players who have committed themselves to one nation. In my opinion, that is a hindrance because it creates corresponding fronts here in the forums. RU bias… US CAS problems… and so on and so forth.
I’m not interested in opening a front against any nation or group of players.
On the contrary. I want to address the problems that arise. But so-called mains often don’t want to hear about them.
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I understand all of what you say.It’s no major deal for the game.
Everybody has to start somewhere and for many of a certain age Germany is what many associate with WW2 tanks unless they play their home nation.As we know many can’'t play their home nation.
Also we look at this game but we don’t really see.I look at other players and I don’t see that many who only main one nation not to the extent that this forum would have you believe.
I have a big passion for WW2 Germany ,no Idea why,maybe I was a German in a former life : ) Most of my games and medals are for Germany but I play others too.
The OP is blaming everybody but the US for the US bad showing in the game as far as WR goes.I am not saying that the US main are US players but it seems like the OP is saying that but who knows what he is saying.
What we need is fact.I see posts made about level 100 players seal clubbing yet I actually see games won by low level players so another forum cliche busted.
What I do not see is actual discussion about that chart.Not on here or anywhere else.What does it suggest? Americans are stupid or something? Germans are stupid? The US and German line up is poor there? What exactly? I actually refuse to believe Americans are dumb in this game(If I am actually serious) or the Germans.I am told USA top tier has equipment issues but supposedly Germany mid tier does not so what do we actually take from that chart?
So may WT “experts” on here but no answers.
In the end, the result will be different for everyone, depending on what they read from this data.
Basically, it only shows which nation has had how many battles on a BR and how often they won or lost.
You can go into more detail and have everything displayed tank-specifically.
Data 2023-June-28
Data 2024-June-29
From now on, I can only speculate personally because I don’t play there. Many people talk about how many, many players in this BR area have bought themselves into it through sales but don’t know how to play.
That could be true… on the other hand, the total number of battles involving US tanks in the BR only accounts for 25% in 2024. A year ago, it was on a par with Germany. So players have moved away from here.
I’m not a great data analyst. But I like to use data like this and compare it with what I see and experience. And in this case, my observations match the data in the areas where I play.
Oh the data from the battles played on that BR … kinda interesting
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Nice to see some other data thanks.I too see what I believe to be a correlation between the quality of the vehicles and the win rates in may areas and it is what I would expect.That is what make me all the more baffled by the Germany “anomaly” mid low tier.Sure I understand post war where Germany went fast and light ,I see the issues there but 3 -6 BR? Tiger ,Panther territory?
Only thing we have if we take it literally is that WW2 Germany vehicles are actually as bad as Top tier USA.Forget history we are talking in game.
Maybe we can spend some time as Germany players to observe the amount of games won or lost as Germany and try to find out why if anybody is interested.
Trouble is with this forum is that so much of the dialogue is not game related or related to making the game better.It is just tank nerds trying to impress with their knowledge of tanks in the real world.
Most dialogue on here becomes that if you look,that or a petty argument between two players.
Nothing to say that USA and Germany are bad for the same reasons however.
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6.0-7.0 Germany 2024-July-27
What I see:
Tiger II K/D and K/B is pretty close together. ODL issue causing bad winrates? Nope … compared to date from one year ago K/D and K/B is even lower in 2023
M41 … potential skill issue. I had problems myself. It wasn’t until I got the Chinese M41 Premium that I understood how things worked.
Tiger II P … The BR adjustment was not good and according to my observations should be returned.
I don’t want to take every vehicle apart now…
What I notice, however, is that the Kugelblitz has sunk into insignificance. In 2023, there were just under 300 battles a day… in 2024, there were only 25 battles a day. (The data is always collected from 3 days)
Basically, it can be said that many good players have either moved to other nations or left the game altogether.
I’m curious what you think about this?
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Starting here.At 7BR it has no line up,needs to drop back to 6.7 to have a home.That is Gaijin all over and my reason for hating BR changes badly conceived without looking at the big picture.
Having played many games at what was 5.7 now 6BR I see a game ruined by later Artillery so not surprise the Panther and Tiger took a hit in the last year.
Am I guilty of anything when playing Germany at 6BR? Maybe yes. I think I tended to play Germany to it’s strengths IE I play a defensive game letting enemies come to me.
We have good SPs like Nashorn so I and maybe others sit back and use them while the game runs away from us around the caps.
Do the Tigers and Panthers work well in attack in the game? That is where games are won,taking Caps.
As for 6.7 the line up and the game go their separate ways big time for me.What worked to a degree in 1944/45 did not work in 1950 onward or even maybe earlier.
Zero point turning up in a tank whose only feature is armour that is useless facing guns from another era that can pen 300mm .I don’t see that is something any nation would have done for long.
Again mobility is an issue.I see another German main who I respect talk about how he gets kills in the Jagdtiger but is he storming forward in it to CAP zones? Especially in town maps full of fast Swedish tanks with 400MM pen.
Too often we confuse good personal games with the team winning or losing .We may not even pay attention to whether the team lost if we did well as a single player.
What makes you smile more? A team win with you placed bottom or a loss with you at number one with ten kills? Too many times have I sat on a hill with my 007 Tiger E covered in bushes and taking out six or seven enemies as smug as anything while we lose the game on the other two caps because I sat there basking in personal glory.
Is this a common German story?
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Interesting question. For me personally, victory is the most important thing. I see it as an expression of my performance and the collective performance in battle.
What comes second? I often find myself looking at the statistics after the battle and analyzing the team performance.
It really makes me happy when even further down the list there are players with kills, assists or caps.
Then I usually look where I rank and see what went well for me and what didn’t go so well.
But there is this one type of battle where I don’t care whether I win or lose.
These are the battles in which everyone believes in victory until the very end, both on the opposing team and on their own, and throws tanks and planes into battle without even thinking about returning to the hangar. And even if I lose narrowly, I still win. Because it was simply exciting and I usually need new underwear afterwards. Frustration and joy are sometimes very close together in this game.
And if I have just learned one thing from our discussion, it is that I may have a tendency to make very harsh judgments that I should regularly reflect on in due course.
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This will only make the nations that have best vehicles on a specific BR steamroll other weaker nations.