Can we buff R60M/MK

R-60M acts just like the R-60 which is fairly similar to early missiles before the Aim-9L, the R-60MK is somewhat as effective as the Aim-9L for example.

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TLDR: it’s a good missile at 11.x, not at 12.0+ like on the MiG-29 9-13 and Yak-141

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Once flared an R60 but it was already close enough to not be able to pull away from me. Also just wanna add the laughably low explosive mass failing to crit some times.

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aim-9E has a higher flare resistance to and its on F100 so

I could reiterate it, but my knowledge regarding missiles not being their effectiveness in-game is fairly low, that’s why I’m using the Aim-9L as reference, but sincerly I never had a good experience with early missiles, always relied on guns.

There isint alot that can be done, while good for the time they are just that bad once you enter the mig-29 era irl.

sadly you cant rely on guns do to low ammo count you get like 250 rounds enough for like half the match

They aren’t aim9l analogues and its reflected in the BR system, if the mig21bis has 6 aim 9L it sure as hell wouldn’t be 11.3.

They aren’t very good missiles for the type of combat in WT, they pull super hard off the rails, but are very short range, nametag system and 3rd person camera basically ensures that you won’t be able to sneak a launch in on someone without them noticing.

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just tweak the flare resistance on them just a little

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skill issue, your Seeker saw the flare so he goes to the flare

I don’t think it has any kind of flare rejection? giving it some would be unrealistic, it just goes for the hottest source it sees, which is why I’ve had plenty of TKs with it lol.

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well i dont think it should go for a flare if he pops one flare while full afterburning

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As far as source docs go only missiles at the level of AIM-9L will have the required seeker sensitivity to reject flares when hotter afterburner plume is on their field of view. R-60M and MK were known for fairly poor seeker sensitivity and this is reflected in game.

mig 21-mig29 got artificial nerfs all the time cause F4 noobs so a Ahistorical buff is fine

I wouldn’t complain about r-60ms as you literally have an 11.0 with 6 all aspect missiles. They may not be great but they are 35g and can be shot really close in a head on. If anything, the gets that have access to 6x of these should move up

head on thing is very iffy

11.0 is stupidly compressed

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Yeah but premium players have a 5 second reaction time so they don’t realise what is happening till too late

still waiting for historical AOA on mig 21 bis
the only thing going for it is the FM

Its suicidal not iffy, range at which r60 cant be flared headon is well within gun range.