It cannot track targets within those parameters look down. (classified)
Back when the F-14 and the Phoenix missiles were first released, you could lock someone at 40–50 km and still had a 60–70% chance of hitting if the enemy stayed at altitude, even if they tried evasive maneuvers.
(I suffered HARD against those things when they first came out.)
The Phoenix missiles got nerfed because of massive crying on the forums (especially from Russia and Germany mains) who, at the top tier of that time, were struggling with MiGs and Phantoms.
Right now, if they reverted the Phoenix to how it worked at launch, it would be perfect, since we now have plenty of maneuvers and countermeasures to deal with them especially at 14.0, where the F-14 sits.
There’s absolutely no reason to butcher the missile like this, especially when it got so bad that players would rather use AIM-7 instead of Phoenixes.
AIM-54 Phoenix — Real-World Performance (Open-Source Data)
| Parameter | Real-World Data |
|---|---|
| Role | Very-long-range air-to-air interceptor |
| Platform | F-14 Tomcat |
| Max Range | ~160–190 km (ideal conditions) |
| Max Speed | Mach 4.5–5 |
| Flight Profile | Lofted, high-altitude trajectory |
| Guidance | INS + datalink + active radar (terminal) |
| Seeker | Active radar homing |
| Missile Weight | ~460 kg |
| Warhead | ~60 kg HE-fragmentation |
| Primary Targets | Bombers, AWACS, cruise missiles |
| Effectiveness vs Fighters | Limited vs maneuverable targets |
| ECCM | Improved in AIM-54C |
| Combat Use | Limited (mostly Iranian claims) |
The AIM-54 Phoenix was designed for extreme long-range interception, excelling against large, non-maneuvering targets, but it was not optimized for modern fighter dogfights.
The missile simply doesn’t have what it should have.
more like 200km+ in ideal conditions
It was buffed since release bro, in what way was it nerfed.
Buffs that phoenix got:
-Massive fin aoa buff that let it pull more.
-Massive seeker gimbal limit buff.
I honestly don’t know where you’re seeing these buffs in the game, because there’s no way you launch 6 missiles from 7 km altitude and none of them hit a target below at an average distance of 40–50 km.
You must be playing some alternate universe version of the game.
It’s cause back then people didn’t know how to notch, as fox 3s was a new mechanic that was first introduced and back then people didn’t have good rwrs that we have today (rwr rework). Nowadays, anyone can avoid the phoenix because it is very easy to notch
- 0 excuse for leaving the seeker artificially nerfed and it’s not the only problem
- The IRCCM IS broken at the moment. Heck Aim-9Ms are broken, they randomly go AWOL
Stop defending Gaijin. They. Must. Action. Bug. Reports.
Many of them are 2 or 3 years old at this point. There are even more older than that.
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The post you responded to is criticizing Gaijin with zero defenses.
So your post is demanding I stop criticizing Gaijin by misidentifying criticism.
I will keep criticizing Gaijin no matter what you say.
You even repeat my criticisms in your own post, agreeing with the post you responded to…
WTF AIM-9M IRCCM !!!
this shit just lock in 2KM or less
Why does the missle not pull for half a second after launch?
Because soviet missiles cant therefore its impossible for western missiles to do the same.
/s
honestly no idea. I think they model ejection rail timings (not that that delays guidance, only motor start) but the missiles are all rail launch which makes even less sense why there is any delay
IR shutoff has always been weird. Pre-flare sensitive cause it just won’t lock aircraft, the time between launch and seeker shutoff is seemingly long.
But once it’s launched and has time to track, it does its IOG correctly.
Of course, it’s still AIM-9L agility, so it’s susceptible to the same kinetic defeat options.
9ls have 0.4 second guidance delay irl
Not any more
IRCCM / Missile guidance on the 9M no longer works 90% of the time. Might as well bring 9Ls
Let alone IRCCM is aspect specific for some stupid reason
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/tmSP9xgDcw4T
Because ths stupid missel not work LOL
It’s awful at everything, while the Russian PLs and R-73s are amazing in the game…
What do we even call that again? Oh right, I remember now: I LOVE RUSSIA, I LOVE CHINA, I LOVE MADE IN RU-CHI lol
I thought I wasn’t the only one going crazy with this. With multiple recent games notably using the AIM-9M, especially at times during close front aspect, makes me cringe at how bad the seeker is at picking up a lock (even with radar slaving assist), making me wonder if the AIM-9L would fare better in the same scenario.
yep for some reasons you cant push the r73 to its limit since it always does stall out when doing a funny sharp turn at close distance… and the pl8 is somehow worse than the pl5e´s so idk what your point with the russian and chinese bias…
This MIGHT be the worst thread I’ve ever seen on this forum.
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I find that R-73s are much easier to flare than Aim-9Ms, especially at closer ranges. In general IRCCM seems a lot weaker than it used to, and I’m not sure why.
You see it’s bias because they are both not western, clearly this means Gaijin treats them equally well. Please just ignore that the J-10C gets a worse engine than it should for 14.3, while the Su-30SM2 gets a much more powerful engine.
There you go, I appreciate the new information.
Sad that it got bugged, especially since it was functioning a few days ago on my Gripen.
Never seen this many skill issues until now
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