Dear gaijin as many already have reported the c1 ariete has many things missing or maybe inaccurate in it’s current state in war thunder, now the c2 model is basically complete https://youtu.be/1Va-kHRbg0c?si=ubj8_ZAagmYBbq1M .
I do not ask you to immediately implement the vehicle in the game but atleast you could do an update on the current models of the c1 in game, updating the base armor and the pso and war kit to realistic values would basically give us a new vehicle with a new playstyle. A mbt capable of tanking some shots in the turret and therefore playable as a mbt and not as light tank.
Thanks, wishing a good day to everyone.
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Wait for it to be completely wrong modelled as C1 Ariette is especially with WAR kit. Same as Challengers and Leopards.
@Smin1080p_WT Any Changes in regards of Ariette armour KE protection changes (including WAR kit) . I really wanna buy Certezza and grind Italian TT but now its just stockpile of sh*t for me.
How do people know that current Ariete armor is not correct? I don’t know of any source.
just play 2a7, best tank in the game
The manufacturer’s website, brochures and other printed media states that the frontal arc of the tank has composite armour, you can probably find one of the brochures in the forum here. The UFP is missing it.
Additionally, several sources state that the WAR kit is designed to protect from kinetic threats. Yet the one in game is made to stop chemical penetrators.
Though, no values are available since they are classified.
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Well you see thats way too vague. We don´t know which APFSDS it was required to protect against and from which distances. Could be anywhere between 300 to 700mm KE.
Gaijin could make an educated guess like they have done for so many vehicles.
But when it comes to Italy for some reason they need absolute proof. Even when we give absolute proof they don’t fix stuff for years or ever
If it was tested in Sweden for trial they would have guessed the armour but rn they don’t know much about it
The thing is…they don’t need to.
The prime example for this is the Leclerc MSC that was, as the name implies, a mule version to test all the internal systems for the actual Leclerc.
IRL it had no composite, just plain steel armor and additional weight to correctly test everything, but in game they gave it full composite to match other 10.7 MBTs.
They can do everything they want in their game, from changing reload rate to give additional stats.
If they really want some guidelines we already posted several reports even showing how the weld lines on the front of the tank IRL are different from the one we have in game, proving a different armor layout:
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Well, they´ve done exactly that. The more you lack sources, the more you can only rely on gut feeling. In the case of Ariete, its armor isn´t particularly thick nor heavy in comparison to contemporaries. For most other tanks, there are good sources regarding armor values.
We have a decent amount of sources that they ignore
Leclerc MSC has plenty of sources saying it had no composite, yet it has this ingame
Which ones?
Well thats on Gj. Leclerc values (all models) are a mess as well.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/MA8ugNxKkXQm
This has many sources, many of which are from Oto melera and other producing companies of the Ariete. These sources put together allow for a much better educated guess, and also prove composite armor in areas of Ariete which just air.
Also saying that all leclerc models are a mess and then saying that ariete shouldnt get its real armor is kinda biased or something. We have actual proof that they have ignored for years, and this is the same for many other parts of the italian tt.
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I´m trying to be objective, as sources they aren´t that good. The only source that could count as primary is the mentioned parlamentary hearing, but the author didn´t specify anyway to indentify and track down the source on the internet. So its a shame but I can´t read it nor search for it.
As for the others, secondary sources:
1- Lakowski has this very old publication which doesn´t have access to actual information but rather its a collection of armor estimates. Numbers tend to be all over the place and most tanks estimations are in direct contradiction with actual primary sources that became publicly known well after his work. So its not good even if the value given for Ariete (480mm KE) may be plausible given the timeframe.
2- Jackson´s book doesn´t provide any armor values for any tank.
As for the Chinese source, I can´t even find it.
So…theres not much to go on.
Well and theres also that