Buff the reload speed of all Merkava 3s

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It infact doesnt have worse survivability at all

Holy sh*t do you even know what survivability refers to for MBTs? The T-80 and T-72 series of vehicles have one of the worst chances survivability out there, once you manage to penetrate, their tight crew layout means you either one shot through crew knockout or you detonate their charges.

The fact you honestly believe the T-80UD/DU-1 has on par if not, superior survivability than the Merkava Mk.3 makes me laugh, amazing way to discredit anything you say

You are actively choosing to ignore the fact the merkava at 11.3 entire frontal arc is entirely green to an 8.3 1950s MBT

Something I’ve already acknowledged if you did read the conversation prior which you claimed to do, other tanks don’t have a railgun for a APFSDS unlike the Merkava Mk.3 as well, Britain’s best shell is nowhere near as good as M322.

The fact im actively showing the M774 penetrate the merkava mk3 more than any other tank.
hell even showed that the 3BM25 can go clean through it frontally

You shouldn’t use protection map as a way to represent the effectiveness of armour, you should know that already if you’ve played the game long enough (which you apparently haven’t).

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procedes to completely ignore the fact that 3bm25 can and will pen anywhere on the merkava 3 frontally and hit one of the four rounds behind the engine

also ignores said photos of pretty much any round going through the tank and one tapping it

tell me, what is the T80UD/DU-1? as far as im aware there isnt one in game

the fact you actively are trying to twist what Im saying to and I quite “discredit anything you say” shows how ignorant you are actively choosing to be.

ive hundreds of battles in T80s alone, and merkavas at 9.3.

Also where is your source to back up the claim that the T80UD/ BE you cant even get its name right has worse survivability ? it actively can survive more which is hilarious due to the fact T series tanks have ridiculously low survivability.

Much like the CR2 has piss poor survivability due to the ammo layout.

Its literally all it has mate.

Im aware ive got near enough 1000 battles between my challanger 2s, I regularly say the CR2s are the single worst top tiers in game.
How is the CR2 L27A1 relevant to the M1A1 and merkava though?

Id say 3200 hours and over 12k missions is more than enough time.

You should if you actually know how to use it.
As long as the angles are the same and the ammo used, distance and such are all the same its completely fine to use.

You are actually the first ever person ive seen say not to use it, when some of the best players in the damn game will use it to show how shit or good some armours are.

  • you are now actively choosing to ignore statistically how bad the merkava is compared to the tanks of the same BR hence the notion for a reload buff to 5 seconds. Or remove the abrams 5 second reload.

  • as well as this merkava past the ready rack shoots up to with an un aced crew 9 seconds per round.

  • Going by the fact you are completely clutching at straws and moving the goal posts massively exhibit A " other tanks don’t have a railgun for a APFSDS unlike the Merkava Mk.3 as well, Britain ’s best shell is nowhere near as good as M322" ´

exhibit B - All the bringing up of the T80 when no one mentioned it at all in a comparisson of the M1A1 abrams and Merkava Mk3.

shows me that you, not only are trying to completely derail the post about how the merkava Mk3B is pretty poor, but also have absolutely no idea how to communicate it through the stats.
You dont even know how the APFSDS functions in the game

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Yap

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Bold of you to assume that Gajin intends of buffing the merkies.

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Sad truth.

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His final response gives me everything I need to know. He’s folded like a deck chair

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His final response gives me everything I need to know. He’s folded like a deck chair

No, it’s because I’ve said everything which needs to be said, I don’t plan to waste time with people who don’t read my previous messages and make silly argument - went from saying the M1A1 is overpowered to showcasing the flaws it had yourself.

Arguing with a brick wall doesn’t get me anywhere, I’ve stated my opinion and facts and that’s all which needs to be said, the Merkava Mk.3 has one of the best APFSDS in-game (let alone for 11.3), excellent survivability and alright mobility - it’s perfectly fine at 11.3, cope kind child.

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The Merkava Mk.3 tbf is pretty decent for its battle rating, Israel has more concerning issues other than getting some randoms tanks reload buffed

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Mobility would be alright if it was at 9.3.

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Israel has more concerning issues other than getting some randoms tanks reload buffed

Like their SPAA line, I totally agree that they need newer and better SPAA and that’s one reason which put me off from finishing their TT. There is also other ways to buff the Merkava Mk.3 if you want it improved so badly, I hate the idea of buffing vehicles via reload since it doesn’t really actually fix the problem at hand.

Not really, especially when you take into account Russian reverse speed, their forward mobility may be very nice but their reverse speed is appalling - you don’t really see Russian mains complaining about that?

Yes Israel struggles, but the Mk.3 definitely ain’t up there

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Buff the armor, simple as that. It’s preforming horribly compared to how effective it was IRL both kinetically and chemically.

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Having 18.5 HP/t is pretty bad for 11.3, it would only be average at 9.3. Top speed at 60km/h going forward is definitely mediocre where only it’s reverse speed should be considered good.

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Yeah, Israel is really lacking Magach variants. Hope to see this underrepresented vehicle in War Thunder soon.

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There was not one fact there.

That i have not disputed at all infact ive agreed with. But the dart alone does not make up for the poor reload.

That is absolutely false as I proved to you its survivability is horrific, its down there next to T series tanks.

Im not coping, at no stage did I say the merkava Mk3 was not fine at 11.3 I merely stated its one of the worst BR 11.3s and its only saving grace is the dart.

Thats something to take up with gaijin not us, thats literally how they balance stuff, prime example is the Shir 2 they gave it L23 which didnt exist until 1982 or 3 which is 4 years after the shir was readily discontinued and shelved. why, for balancing.

Are you kidding on? or just absolutely blind its one of the things every russian player complains about xD hell its one of the reasons ive yet to get the BVM or the 90M.

how is it not? isreal, britain and italy are the tied worst nations in the game xD theyre absolutely horrible above the 10.7 area, (ariete at 10.7 and CR1 mk2 and 3 are good)

especially when the tanks 65 tons it makes it unbearably sluggish for what it is movement wise.
at least the T90s and such are more nimble when moving forward

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sabra mk2 when?

also why si the mk1 at fking 9.7 with the M322 round xD

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Because the armor is weaker than rubber fabric screen against liner rounds, its mobility is awful (120S is worse), and its sights aren’t the best (but get the job done). It’s definitely a 10.0 vehicle however, but a round and gun don’t determine BR placement, multiple factors do.

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This discussion is really interesting. A person who doesn’t have Mekawa 3 is bragging about how powerful Mekawa 3 is. When people check it, it turns into “I have a friend”. It is a reminder that Gaijin is not allowed to lend an account. Can someone show the account ID of “friends”? This seems to be a good evidence.
When discussing something irrefutable, it will become an exception that can’t be counted. There is a little cuteness like a child rolling around.

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It can center mass early T-64 and early T-72s at most angles so it kind of dependent on what type of enemy shows up to make having that extra power useful compare to the usual suspect like DM33 and DM63 which is a common 105mm ammunition in that br that has no issue going through most things they see. If I’m playing Israel and the enemy team is USA and Germany and it’s uptier to 10.3, the Gal Batash and Sabra will perform pretty much the same as both vehicles have more than enough firepower to defeat the type of armor they faced.

It also make a short work of Leopard 2A4 when the M322 has access to any part of the hull, still cannot one-shot the 2A4 via turret cheek base on my experience, round struggle to pen the ufp of T-72B obr 89 and T-80s.

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I think its more about the spall on M322, that round apparently nukes tanks compared to DM33.

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Any shell that has more than 450mm penetration values can lolpen Leo2A4’s cheeks.

Thats because due to Kontakt-5 and not having anti-era ability many shells struggle to penetrate their ufp.

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