Lad, Ive read this entire argument, the 11.3 merkavas are some of the worst 11.3s in the damn game.
The ZTZ 99 II and III are far better tanks and they are 11.0.
the type 90s are miles ahead of them while not having the same penetration at an angle the JM33 beign fired every 4 seconds is wild. That means for every 2 shots an aced merkava Mk3 can put down range a stock Type 90 can.
Lets also not touch on the fact that the merkava MK3 armour is woefully bad, and has two rounds right on the floor infront of the engine so if you shoot clean through the engine deck, which even the round on the M1 can do, then you will detonate those two rounds. If you somehow miss them, you then spall into the entire crew and wipe it that way,
Merkavas are renowned in WT for being ridiculously low armoured and survivable.
Only the 9.3s actually being said to have some form of armour.
Ive 6 nations at top tier ground, with only isreal, italy, sweden and france to get, and france im 90k off a the first leclerc and isreal im 40k from teh merk m3.
Okay then, move the damn M1A1 to 11.7 where the likes of the Leopard 2PL , CR2 TES, Arietes and such all sit.
Why the M1A1 sits at 11.3 when it is far supperior to pretty much even the top tier merkavas is wild.
a caveat , the ZTZ 99 III and II are far, far more effective in top tier matches than the merkava Mk3’s , combine in the fact you also get the MBT2000 at 11.0 it is wild the merkava does not get the 5 second reload it should have.
and what “massive” nerf is that buddy?
is it suddenly gonna be going 50 kmph? with a 6 second reload and lose all its protection?
Or is it getting some more modules put inside it? which isnt a massive nerf.
He is not an isreali main he probs has more top tier than you do.
Im not an isreali main, most folks that are complaining about the merkava are quite justified in teh matter.
By far the most irritating and audacious complainers are the USA mains acting like the abrams is a bad tank in this game when its in the catagory of top 3 MBTs at top tier.
You’re trying to argue by using anecdotes as evidence and even use false information to bolster your case.
You’ve claimed that M322 is amazing because it spalls crazy good due to it’s above average weight, which has now been proven to be false.
I genuinely hoped you’ll have some truthful arguments to present as why Mk3 isn’t clearly inferior to M1A1.
So far you only gave me your anecdotes and false information.
It’s funny calling me ignorant while you had no idea how spalling works in the game. No wonder you dodge talking about that topic as of now.
Armour= over all the M1A1 has more effective armour due the merkavas models being shambolically done.
firepower = M1A1 has a better round, faster reload better gun handling and turret traverses.
mobility = the M1A1 is far faster, has better hull traverse, faster acceleration as well as equal or better reverse as merkava.
Profile = The M1A1 is far smaller than the merkava, not as tall, nor wide or long .( merkava is the biggest MBT in game I believe only CR2 is slightly longer but has a smaller front profile.)
Survivability = as mentioned above the Mekrava has two rounds on the floor behind the engine which detonate if a round pens, which it always does due to the armour being modelled wrong.
optics / view = Abrams has better zoom functions if I remember correctly but only has gen 1 thermals and a lack of a proper commander sight. Merkava is ahead in this one area.
overall the M1A1 abrams sits at the same BR but is better in every, single aspect, bar lack of thermals. and a commanders sight, which if you actually know how to play isnt that relevant anyways as the binos are for more easier to use and faster to sweep an area.
a caveat , the ZTZ 99 III and II are far, far more effective in top tier matches than the merkava Mk3’s , combine in the fact you also get the MBT2000 at 11.0 it is wild the merkava does not get the 5 second reload it should have
The ZTZ99 is a broken vehicle at 11.0 and I’ve said this countless of times, you can’t use something like the ZTZ99 as a example since it’s the exception and simply shouldn’t be at 11.0 - don’t use one wrong to correct one right.
Just lol, lmao even (even including a old fashion XD)
Youre here commenting on the M1A1 and you dont even have it
Quite literally have the M1A1 Click-Bait, which is a M1A1 with M829A2 and a soft kill APS, maybe actually use your Mk.1 eyeballs? I also have test driven the M1A1, other than what I’ve stated it’s the exact same as said Click-Bait.
I even had it prior to the addition of M829A2, when it was the exact same BR as the base M1A1
nor do you have any merkava
I clearly have the Merkava Mk.2D and you’ve claimed to read the entire conversation posted in this topic and that single sentence made it apparent you skipped many parts of it, I played with the Merkava Mk.3 when I went to my friends house down in London and he has around 400 battles in it himself and shares the same exact opinion as me - he furthermore prefers the Mk.3 over the Mk.4s.
So youre now comparing the 11.7 better M1A1 which is functionally identical to what is the M1A2 sep bar thermals to the far worse Merkava Mk3 B?
“my friends merkava” which isnt you owning the merkava Mk3 as well as this I apoligies I hadnt noticed the MK2D as I was not looking as you can see at your premiums instead at the TT vehicles like we are discussing
Just because the mark 4 merkavas are far worse at their BR that does not suddenly make the mk3 merkava good at all. The mk4 merkavas, arietes and CR2s are all tied for being the worst top tier tanks in game so do with that what you will.
you say that in italics like im supposed to be impressed
I had both the IPM1, M1A1 and M1A1 HC before the clickbait was even released.
the M829A1 round is an absolutely phenomenal round at its BR especially with the 5 second reload.
Ofc it will mate, the tanks armour is completely paper. Youd have to fire across the engine to actually fail to pen it with anything worse than even L23 man
fun fact, the M774 round will travel clean through the front of the 11.3 merkava and out the back door if fired center mass
Also fun fact, both the M1A1 and Merkava Mk.3 can go through one another clean - additionally, the Leopard 2A4 which sits at 10.7 has similar turret protection when compared to the M1A1.
Is it time to move the Leopard 2A4 up to 11.7 now?
yes Im well aware that the M1A1 and merkava can cut clean threough one another.
however im showing the the merkava Mk3 at 11.3 is still easily destroyed with even tank ammunition from 2 BR steps below it. Hell it can be penned and one tapped by 8.3 tanks while an abrams cant.
That is to highlight the protection levels that YOU claimed are good.
The merkava Mk3 can barely survive being hit by a 100mm apfsds never mind a 120MM modern one.
The leopard 2A4 if it got DM33 which it can historically fire would 100 percent be 11.0 at least.
Also for the leopard 2a4 and M1A1 comparisson you should do it with the penetration maps, not choose one specific point on the 2a4 which is the hardest part of the turret
You should also show what round you are using, and the penetration map to get a more accurate representation of what you’re trying to prove cause if we use the fact that even M774 can whack a leopard 2a4 frontally it tells us everything we need to know.
