British bias

I said the damage on the shell. and that is the case. Again it deals less damage than uncapped 37mm AP or to make a closer comparrisonm. It has around 50% pof the damage of the 30mm Fox guns APDS at just 160times the reload aced

No SPAA at that BR has 20mm cannons… NATO has 35mm starting at around 7.7 and russia has either 23mm(which can not do what you describe at all) or 37mm. So i am gonna put that under “things that dude never experienced but claims he did”

Which is literally designed to do exactly that… LIGHT VEHICLES WITH A DART ARE DESIGNED TO DISABLE MBTS IN REALITY AT EXTREME SHORT RANGES. Again the guns are fine. The game just puts them in situation where they are literally designed to be better.

That is literally not the case except for some rare buggy cases where the type of round does not matter at all so it is irrelevant for this

nope, if there is an armour hole every cannon benefits

They do.
You should read up on the expectations of these kinda guns.

The german PUMA is expected to disable a T90 frontally at ranges below 250meters, the Gepard was assigned to frontline units and its third class role was literally anti tank work as per german army doctrine.

You claim x while reality writes y

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This is simply impossible, have you unlocked the HEVT yet? The York is technically a god tier SPAA at 9.0, it doesn’t take effort to do well in this thing, it lacks the AT ability compared to most things in the br but the AA is simply unmatched, you can try blasting your HEVT as soon as the lead indicator shows up at 6km, most jets will still flying straight into the battle field, easily 3KD in air kills by simply doing just that.

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Its also substantially higher penetrating designed to hit completely different spots.
Im aware that the post pen damage is rather lacking but the conq is not a bad tank due to this.
Same as the 88mm guns post pen is rather lacking .

I didnt just say SPAA did I , I said “auto cannons need reviewed again”

You arent reading at all just taking segments out to make it seem like I’ve said something ridiculously stupid.

Just to reinforce this statementm even in segment of my text you quoted, I did not state it was an SPAA that destroyed a 9.3 MBT frontally, I clearly stated, (even in the text you quoted)
“shredded frontally by 20mm auto cannon holders”

Ill keep that in mind next time a 2a6 dies to a 30mm dart somehow drifting through a random “gap” in the armour.

It very much is the case, dunno why you say it isn’t, there are reports for so many tanks in the game with these pixel sized gaps in armour.

You cannot read can you.

I didn’t say it does not benefit the larger cannons, I said it’s, and I quote , “un noticable” which means when a 105MM cannon round ( for example) hits the pixel and goes through, you chalk it up to the pen of the cannon.

When a 20mm on say, a Marder, or RCV etc manages to go through, say teh mantlet of an AMX30 Super, Or leopard 1A5, you notice it substantially more.

that is the first ever time I’ve seen that be said.
On top of this, as far as im aware for the gepard, its dual feed system meant someone had to be outside the tank to switch it over to the APDS rounds.

Reality doesnt write anything different, You just genuienly either cannot read or are choosing to ignore what the words that are infront of you mean.

At no point did I state that IFV’s were not designed to be able to.
Puma for a start has a 30MM specifically designed for being able to take on heavier armour.
The XM800T mounts the same 20MM for example as the Marder 1A3 an auto cannon never designed to go up against heavy armour, instead extremely light armour and infact infantry

Hence the name IFV.

On top of this, we have seen in real life a bradley bushmaster take out a T90 and exceptionally close range.
however as I stated above about the hull damage mechanic (which you conviently ignored)
The Bradley caused repetative hits which eventually broke through (apparently.) its cannon was never designed to be going toe to toe with an MBT, the fact that it can is entirely different.

EDIT: Im not gonna keep this going with the auto cannon stuff BTW, cause I do not want to derail yet another thread its becoming somewhat of a bad habit.

However, I will say one thing. How can you say to @MotorolaCRO that he hasn’t played the entire Ground TT for britain, when you aren’t even past rank 5 in the ground tree and he is ?

Bit strange to say that, on top of this the conquoror you said was bad, you do extremely well with…

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Not got HEVT yet I dont think so, its decent as is TBH I just suck with it xD.

Its the fact the rounds are tracerless that makes it so deadly I think

The fastest way to spade it is through ground assault lol make sure you break a lot of tracks, you will have 60-70 kill assist towards the end of the match, should the match end in a victory, you unlocked a modification part per-35 minutes, just use default belt.

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Conquerer’s super armor, DM23 useless

It would have pen anything else if it weren’t for Britainium armor
/s

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DW i just had an AMX13 HOT suck a 76MM dart into the side from my M41D xd the game really is struggling now adays isnt it xD

It is almost amazing that you found a spot on the Conq that can not be penned…

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“British bias”
The Sherman II is identical to the M4A1 and yet it is 3.7 instead of 3.3.

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Russia got a Gazillion T80 with unpenetrable hull and good speed, US got 7 Abrams but just 2 of them are fun to play (M1A1,M1) others are easy to disable (if you like the feeling of being a handicap, good luck) thanks to the basket nerf.

There is a grand total of two tech tree T80s for USSR above 10.7

The T80U and the T80 BVM, both of which are incredibly easy to defeat with the M829A2 . combined with an overall more mobile platform, slower forward sure but reverses 3x as fast as a T80.

As well as this a 5 second reload, and usuable depression.

everyone keeps bringing up this basket “nerf” but every time ive used the abrams from 10.7 to 11.7 (not bought the sep V1 yet) ive survived more, on top of that even my last top tier match in the leo2a5 and 2a6 it saved me 3 times allowing me to go 9 kill for 2 deaths xD

The ABRAMS overall you have 5 of them nearly identical to the top tier.

M1A1 HC, M1A2, M1A2 Sep V1, sep V2, then as well slightly worse, and I do mean slightly, the M1A1
followed by the IMP1 so yeah, it isnt a bad choice at all

dont act like the USSR tree has " a gazillion" T80s and to second that, dont act like they are difficult to kill at all.

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They definitely not identical at all, starting from the M1A2 the turret ring gets much weaker while being a higher BR.

Much survivable than the M1A2,SEPV1,V2 and they’ve definitely usable at Top Tier 3bm46 is a good shell to use against 2A7,B+.

You can’t lolpen a single T80, that’s what i mean with the basket implementation, now Leopards, Abrams can be easily disabled just hit the tracks and the basket and the tank is literally dead and let’s not mention the turret ring massacre that the Abrams suffer from daily.

I’d rather have better armor than the 5 sec reload buff that literally nobody asked for.

Tell me, how does it get weaker? Last I checked the M1A2 sep 1 and 2 are getting volumetric rings.

They are infact less survivable, survivability of a tank is its chances of taking a penetrating shot and carrying on.
Almost always you will either kill the crew, ammo rack it, or blow the fuel up …If you are even gonna try compare 3bm46 to M829A2 which is objectively the best round in the game then dont.

The DM53 out of an L/55 caliber cannon is higher pen, but out of the same L/44 caliber cannons, the M829A2 has higher penetration.

So the abrams has higher pen than all the arietes, all the leopards without the long barrel gun and has the highest combined fire power for any top tiers. between reload, pen and reliability in teh shell.

You can lol pen the T80U and on top of that the T80U cannot just lol pen a M1A2 either.

Seeign as I use these tanks daily i dont experience that at all.

Believe me you wouldnt. The T80’s armour isnt even that good at all. the 2a7 and STRV122s are better, (let you in on a secret, the STRV122s have been the best top tiers since they were added)

@MotorolaCRO Think you can enlighten this gentleman here about the T80 situation?

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Where did you hear that? It was bug reported a year ago, almost 2 years.

A shot to the turret 99% of the time only kills one crew.

Not anymore thanks to the autoloader.

It was fixed.

I talked about the gazillion T80 that can be used at Top Tier, don’t act like 3bm46 is a bad shell while its definitely the opposite.

Still need to actually aim for weakspots while Russian mains doesn’t need to, they can easily shoot at the huge weakspot called the turret ring or the hull.

The only thing that makes the SEPV2,SEPV1 sit at 12.0 is the A2 dart and thermals, remove these things and they will become like the base M1 but with weaker turret rings.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1e5wr2f/why_did_the_first_m1_have_better_turret_ring_than/?rdt=61763

Not from the front you can’t.

Do you play at 12.0 using a SEP?

We already had this argument and we simply did not agree.

It definitely better than most nations.

Not anymore thanks to the basket nerf.

I’ve got the B+ before the basket nerf and i can certainly say that it’s worse after the update.

How is my comment flagged as inappropriate? God forbid I call out the fact that Britain has no bias besides Gaining hating it (artificial nerfs, worst SPAAs in game, mucking up the Fox, HESH rounds, Solid Shot, etc.)

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Its accepted and has been for ages.

same as ifyou shoot a T80 in the LFP or through the driver port…

with M829A2 I almost always detonate it.

WDYM fixed their fuel explodes when I shoot it. there wasnt something to fix.

In the USSR tree there is one tech tree T80 with that round, and one premium one, that is a grand total of two tanks, the event one you are not likely to see at all.

So that A2 dart is also on the M1A1 HC and M1A2 which are identical in every way bar the thermals and a commander thermals.

They are smashingly good tanks.

Pretty sure you can mate. remember T80U sits at a lower angle to the M1A2 abrams so you are firing down onto its UFP, you can also go through the turret face and break the breach.

no I use the M1A1 HC, M1A2 ,M1A1 and IPM1 At 12.0 with the F15A and now F16A

Why ?

Depends but yes however acting like a T80U is impenetrable is a massive skill issue.

My 2a5 and 2a6 are better T80U by abosolute miles and the 2a6 isnt even spaded yet hell neither is the 2a5.
same as my abrams, id rather use them than the 11.7 T80U.

Well I had the abrams and leopards before teh basket nerf and can tell you they are performing better.

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  • Sees British Bias thread

  • Sees it’s another IvanBoo Cope, Seethe and Mald thread about the Fox and Rarden

Lol. Lmao.

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The cartridges are almost identical,