You do realize the British WERE more played then Sweden for a LONG time right? Sweden was the shit show tech tree for a good few years, and even now The Brits are one of the most played tree’s.
Like Their Mid tier is godly, the Churchills are some of the best Heavy Tanks in the game, especially now where they don’t have to constantly fight Tiger’s and Panthers.
Their 7.7 Lineup is quite fearsome as well, Or well it was before Gaijin Needlessly moved up the Centurion MK10 and Vickers MK1.
Are you guys sure that this Bag Charge system is really that much explosion proof ? Because, unless Ukrainians modified their Challengers to be convertible, I would say they very much do.
One tank out of what… Hundreds?
And one that got directly hit by a High power artillery round…?
Is that REALLY yah only evidence to this fact?
Are you telling me that Ukraine lost dozens times more Challengers than what the UK has sent to them ? That’s… interesting
No but Ukraine has only lost TWO challengers, One to a Mine, and this one.
And before that… The only Challenger lost was to a HESH round striking a Open hatch, causing a internal fire that burned for HOURS before the Ammuniton cooked off.
The same thing happened with the One that hit a Mine, it burned for HOURS before it cooked off.
If its explosive it can explode.
But the operative word is CAN not Will. Naval has exactly the same problem where separate propellent charges are treated in the same category as the warheads. Irl they have a higher chance of burning but less of going insta-boom, in game not so much.
So, not statistically sufficient to prove that bag charges can’t explode. We’ve seen Abrams and leopard cook for hours without exploding. And yet, do any of them use bag charges ?
Everything CAN. Nothing WILL. Reality is complex. Generally you tend to go for statistical safety. For exemple, a car should drive X miles before the engine dies. It’s the same for any “non exploding features”. For now, out of 3 Challenger destroyed, one suffered catastrophic explosion, with the epicentre right where the charge bags are. That’s not a good look
They have Blow out panels to compensate for their difference in Ammo storage. Along with having VERY different chemical make ups and ammo types.
That is like comparing apples to oranges.
A better example would be to look at the Castlemartin incident, where the Breach of a C2 failed, and the bag charge filled the fighting compartment with fire, But DIDN’T set off any of the other charges in the tank.
Also look at the massive amount of testing the British did to verify the Bag charge as a suitable replacement for the Brass case ammunition they had been using, They found it was up to 80% less likely to cook off and cause catastrophic failure, than the Brass cases they had been using in their Centurion’s and Conquerors.
Because AGAIN, its not a pressure vessel, A bag charge physically can not build up enough pressure to cause a Explosion alone, Unless MULTIPLE of them are penetrated and set off at once, Id say if 4-5 of them were hit at once in game? Id say fair game for a Ammo cookoff, But a SINGLE charge? That is bull.
Or atleast give us a CHANCE to put the fire out before the tank goes full super nova.
It’s exploded above the turret ring if it’s blown the back of the turret out like that. That’s the result of HESH cooking off, not the bag charges.
TBF that would be the Ukrainian’s fault too if that was the case, British practice is to Store the HESH in a special rack in the hull, Not in the turret.
Atleast in the C1s and Chieftains, Im not sure if it changed for the C2.
Those are SH/Prac (Squash Head Practise) on the rack in the image, so it would seem it’s done in CR2
HESH shell is is pretty insensitive to spall impact and flash fire, so not all that dangerous to have in the turret unless you fancy sitting inside a sustained turret fire at a couple hundred degrees waiting a good while for the RDX to heat up and cook off.
also, tell that to Gaijin, which makes 40+ pounds of the stuff from the 4005, Barely break tracks.
Errr yes we are certain when stored and used correctly. The challengers in Ukraine destroyed by drones were overfilled with ammo. The Ukrainians stated that during the Kursk Invasion they were worried about ammo supplies and supply routes. They took over the maximum ammo amount due to this. The tank is very spacious inside as it’s made for the crew to live in for days and even weeks in the event that chemical or nuclear weapons are used. The bags itself has a 20% chance of catching fire (without glycol mixture) according to MOD tests extensively ran in the 60s and 80s. This is obviously if they are stored correctly in there Glycol wet bins or armoured bins.
Ukrainians have stated they REALLY REALLY like HESH as they used the tanks as Artillery to fire light vehicle convoys, tree lines and trench lines. It was highly likely there was a lot of HESH in that tank.
