Yep, though its exactly what we need in WT :P
Yeah. People didn’t realise Britain prior to treaties were building battle cruisers at the rates many countries were wishing they could build cruisers
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Battle of Jutland showcased that fact
Whats interesting is how little armour she had and also how slow she was relatively.
33Knots at 48,000 tonnes with only an 11 inch belt, but 6 20-inch guns. Very very unbalanced.
Meanwhile something like a Lion could have 9, 16-inch guns, with a 45,000 tonne displacement and make 31 knots.
I would very, very much like to see them but equally if it opens the floodgates to more fantasy ships then i’d rather not.
Yeah, probably, but Britian is in desperate need of comparable Heavy cruisers and they just dont exist otherwise. Unless they buff British 8 inch guns
The British guns aren’t too bad, no AP but the SAPBC can do well but you need a few salvo’s to crack the armour plates on most ships, but unfortunately the ready-rack reload is already well below that of the Hipper’s and when you run out of ready ammunition its the same as a Graf Spee…
The lack of armour is the issue, HMS Kent (i think) received an add-on armour belt after the war began but she doesn’t have it in game, it wouldn’t be much but every little helps. Also unlike IRL when an 8-inch shell hits the bridge it doesn’t cause a concussive effect. The UK didn’t have armoured bridges because the concussive force would kill the bridge crew anyway, but in-game if you don’t pen/overpressure, they don’t take damage, so you regularly lose your bridge where others won’t but should.
I think they need to do something big, reduce the grind time (boost rp, 4k rp for 6 kills is pathetic), so that they can decompress the br’s with a more popular naval and put the UK cruisers down.
Or alternatively they could add the almost laid Admiral class and folder the others.
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Yeah, something needs to be done, HMS London is my usual go to Heavy but it just isnt fun sometimes. I almost feel it needs to go down to 5.3/ Belfast can take twice the pounding and deal more damage I find
I think compared to other cruisers, she is not as good, but she also stomps destroyers (unless they HE spam the turrets which have only 27mm of protection against 33mm pen moffett HE).
I’m not sure but there could also do with being a hard cap for heavy cruisers not seeing battleships. As much as you’re outclassed by a Helena (who’s ammo rack you cannot pen) or a Prinz Eugen, its nothing like going against BB’s you just can’t even scratch them.
I’d prefer a br cap to any paper cruisers, no matter if they were probably more viable than Kronshtadt.
Yeah, their approach leads to little balance. Especially when the MM doesnt actually balance the teams very well
wher does that come from?
There is an absolute classic British DD fight in the Med where 4 of them effectively ambushed2 Italian cruisers, sinking them with torpedoes at short range… Battle of Cape Bon (1941) - Wikipedia
Not by Battleships I mean, destroyers its a little different there’s stories of Axis ships actually turning away from British destroyers because they were so afraid they would try and torpedo them, but you can see that realistically a DD doesn’t have the main battery to deal with cruisers effectively.
But the majority of capital ship engagements by British ships aimed to keep a good distance usually to take advantage of the RN’s constant gunnery training and Atlantic Bows making use of rough sea states to lure the enemy into firing shots unlikely to hit.
Perhaps I should have emphasised the Capital ships as destroyers were almost the opposite.
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Fair enough - there’s also the issue that British torpedoes were relatively short ranged - esp compared to Japanese, and so wouldn’t be expected to even be in range at gunfire ranges post WW1.
Also while the Japanese had a doctrine to use torpedoes “offensively”, it was a case of using “feigned flight” - their torpedoes were mostly mounted with stern arcs and the ships were expected to launch massive volleys of dozens of torpedoes while retiring behind smoke to lure the enemy forwards.
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It is not. Based on test data, Tirpitz reocrd best accuracy, when shoot on stop. Bismarck class’ problem is that their FCS is very bad
HMS Vanguard position would be differentiate with whether 6crh APC with super chage is given or not. If not, it’s just at the level of HMS Hood, just with better AA. Given, it will be the battleship next to Lion class.
IIRC a post-war US test found that British BL 15-inch MK.1 naval guns were the most accurate of any gun calibre larger than 10" but I’ll have another look for it as some point.
Maybe among the guns they can get and test it will be best. No way they can have adequate quantity of German 14.96’’ gun at the moment. Of course I agree that current British 15’’ needs massive accuracy buff. Especially unlike other ‘unaccurate’ guns British 15’’ guns lack of number
I don’t remember the exact figure but they used the guns found in the German coustal defense mountings captured during the invasion which were the same as on the Bismarck.
Its pretty much a fact that they were considered the most accurate guns of the war and I haven’t found anything (in German or in English) that claims otherwise.
If you can I’d still be interested to see it. Either way they need an accuracy buff.
Vanguard would have thicker armour and better AA, as well as better multipurpose secondaries, she’s in an odd spot in that she takes the best from Hood and KGV but both were flawed once the treaty was abandoned. Supercharged could get her effectiveness up to the same level as a 16-inch shell from something like Nelson or Rodney, but the guns used on Iowa, Yamato and even the guns made for the Lion class (which would be developed until 1948…) would be better in terms of velocity and other ballistics.
Luckily we have the Lions to solve this issue. Hopefully one in an early and one in a late configuration.
Lion would get +10 mm penetration over Nelson, so she isn’t all that better. The late British BBs are kind of stuck in the ~750 mm point blank penetration with their largest guns.
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