Britain Naval Tree - What’s left to be added for all BRs

Maybe it’s not the problem of single shell’s dispersion but number of guns. When you have same dispersion, number of shell per salvo depends how much you will hit target.

For using HMS Tiger, I don’t recommend using it. It’s now same BR with HMS Invincible, and even without considering it, its armor is too thin to cover it’s shell room above waterline. If shell room divided into two and upper shell room can be empty it would be useful, but for now it is too easy to neutralize all it’s firepower by racking two shell room.

Though you’d figure that a 1960s would have better FCS and overall accuracy than a WW2 cruiser, but Tigers shell dispersal at medium range (8-10km) is woeful than even compared to say a single gun salvo on Belfast. So I dont think its volume of fire. The shell dispersal on the Tiger is just set to be much higher than that of any other 6" cruiser.

I bought it from the market about 6 months ago. Only played it a few times as it seems overtiered. But wow that dispersion. I thought I was just struggling to maintain a constant lead on the target but thats ridiculous. Can anyone look up the actual dispersion numbers in the files?

Yeah, I enjoy it, but its far from a competitive 5.7. I really dont understand why its 5.7 other than the fact its good at dealing with destroyers and especially anything coastal.

Its actually got a worse RPM to pretty much any other 5.7 light cruiser despite its reload rate and less armour as well.

and no, not something I can do, HK it probably the best bet for that, but something is definetly wrong with its shell dispersal

If I’m not mistaken, it is the “maxDeltaAngle” parameter that is set the accuracy of the guns. That is, among the six-inch guns with the lowest initial velocity (+ the american five-inch gun with almost no dispersion):

6’'/50 QF Mark N5 (HMS Tiger) - 50m horizontal and 32m vertical
“maxDeltaAngle”: 0.5
“maxDeltaAngleVertical”: 0.32

6"/50 BL Mark XXIII (Town-class) - 25m horizontal and 31.5m vertical
“maxDeltaAngle”: 0.25
“maxDeltaAngleVertical”: 0.315

6 inch/47 Mk.16 (USS Helena) - 24-27m* horizontal and 32-34m* vertical
“maxDeltaAngle”: [ 0.27, 0.24 ]
“maxDeltaAngleVertical”: [ 0.34, 0.32 ]
*(probably depends on shell type)

5 inch/38 Mk12 in Mk22 turret (USS Moffet) - 17m horizontal and 20m vertical
“maxDeltaAngle”: 0.17
“maxDeltaAngleVertical”: 0.2

p.s. I may have taken these numbers too literally, perhaps someone will correct me

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And in addition stats of their shells:

6’'/50 QF Mark N5 (HMS Tiger) - 59.9kg and 768 m/s

6"/50 BL Mark XXIII (Town-class) - 50.8kg and 841 m/s

6 inch/47 Mk.16 (USS Helena) - 47.6kg and 812 m/s (or 58.9kg and 762 m/s for AP)

5 inch/38 Mk12 in Mk22 turret (USS Moffet) - 25kg and 792 m/s

p.s. AP of 6 inch/47 Mk.16 looks the closest to the HMS Tiger’s, but its dispersion numbers look much better


Navyweps indicates based on MV a good accuracy, and this generally fits with the characteristics of British guns, the Brits hating inaccuracy and nipping it in the bud after the high velocity 12" guns. No source given though, so seemingly an assumption made on MV. I’ll keep looking.
https://www.britishpathe.com/asset/187979/
Unfortunately this British Pathe clip doesn’t mention accuracy either.

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@liath_anam Good news, we’ve (myself and @DevilO6) found the location of a copy of the documents we want.

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There’s many more than just those too. Most others centre around the mountings themselves as well as their efficiency at dealing with surface and aerial threats.

Worth noting though, Gaijin could just label it not a bug (though credits to them for fixing it when I last reported it ) as the gun data available accounts for static firings of singular guns, ships ingame obviously use multigun turrets and are also obviously moving in the water. Though the surface full charge distinction makes me think these may have been the dispersion stats for the mountings when inside the turrets firing simultaneously. Unfortunately such documents aren’t really availible for large calibre guns, but they exist here.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/zKDe2LeJjXdP


Though now further on to this I think i’d raise some disputes partially with the validity of Herman’s exterior ballistics and partially referenced to FCS and the roll stabilisation of naval guns.

Anyway, range tables are the best we’ve got to report with. So when it’s possible I’ll see if there’s any way we can get our hands on copies but I’m pretty busy at the moment.

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I found 13 documents in total about 3"

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They might be due an RoF buff also.

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Thanks for your work. I doubt they’ll make any changes in the near future, given their stubbornness, but it’s at least something.
And a clip from British Pathé video with ~2-3 seconds of reload time on 6-inch guns.

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Even faster firing on the 3" guns on Tiger?

Insert Evil Grin here

That sounds like fun

If nothing else, if they have different accuracy to say, the Town-Class’s 6" guns Id want to know why. If they were the same, it wouldnt be too bad.

Videos cant be used unfortunately because they can be sped up. People in the past tried to do that to get Reload buffed on a chinese Tank iirc.

But does at least show it should probably be faster

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and it is the same main gun on the terra nova

Yup (I really need to crack on with the coastal grind at some point)

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well i highly recommend getting the le orla it is just about the best coastal premium in the game

I might consider it in the summer sale. but also holding out for a new coastal premium at some point. Something little different, but not sure what I want

well what you want is one that can spawn with the little boats which the le orla can and i feel that the le orla is the best that will be added

Still holding out hope for something like a Type 22 Premium I guess :D