Can probably make some educated guesses based upon the the FRS1
I would very much like that but as it was cancelled in '64 its limited to red tops and 1000lb bombs, no flares, on a legacy harrier airframe but heavier…
I dunno, could be cool to see but very hard to fly and do well.
Thats true, then yeah, I guess Red Tops of Maybe SRAAM then.
Edit: Thinking about it, probably radar/other kit from the Lightning or Sea Vixen
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Ngl I love the Tornado so much I cant bring mysef to hate it but man its P A I N F U L
It’s hard to adapt to boom & zoom when you haven’t needed to do that for most of the British tech tree.
Im so used to that though which is what annoys me about it the fact you play it perfectly but still it cant compete
That is the great Tragedy.
There is nothing “Wrong” with the F3. (It’s radar is good, its weapons are above average for 11.3, it cant turn for anything, but has decent speed, though again, only at 11.3)
It was just added too late. If it had come anytime between the Mig-23MLD and F-14A. It would have been a great addition. Its only flaw is that it was added 3 months (6 months if you include the time it took to get a usable radar) after the 12s and its gunna be at least 9 months (after its addition) till we get something that is 12+ (we hope)
It is in fighting those 12s and now 12.3s where it struggles. Its weapons are not better than average, they are at best average if not worse. Its not the faster than everything and its radar is only slightly better
In ARB you can face 10.3s-12.3s so some games can be good. In SB it sits at an artificailly high BR. If you are facing 12s though, you are pretty much outclassed. As our “top tier” fighter. It cant compete with most other nations “top tier”
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I mean… welcome to F-14A as well.
F-14B is a struggle too, it can dogfight but it’s slower & only as fast as an F-4J.
The swing wings aren’t as great as people expected, then again… the design is inherently flawed.
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Well… If you previously had “top tier” Britain unlocked. Then actually you spent the better part of the last 2 to 3 years in a boom and zoom BVR jet (the Phantoms) Its only really in the past year or so that our tree has been padded with jets that arent entirely dependent on that at higher tiers (like the Gr7, FRS1, etc) Even the lightning is Boom and Zoom. Yeah we have some great turn fighters in the 8s and 9s, but theyve been underperforming of late for a few reasons
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Eh, I dogfight with FG1 from time to time, less so these days cause Sea Vixen made me research the entire tech tree accidentally & I’d like to get all the tech trees completed before I consistently play jets purely for pleasure.
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I finally got Skyflashes so I need to run it in Sim
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F-14/MiG-23MLD were god mode for a good while
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Sea Vixen is good, shame about the current state of red tops though…
Maybe, I still found the best tactic in SB with the FGR2/FG1 is the same as the F3, max thurst, PD, fire off BVRs, if you are turning fighting or using IRs you are either lucky or screwed.
Back when players didn’t know about notching, terrain following, and so forth they were good.
However, and this is a big however, they were never a threat to anyone that knew how to do those from the start.
F-14A was never a threat to me since its introduction.
People over-relied on its radar missiles, and that made them easy prey to even Mirage 3Cs.
*NEVER gets to max speed
Source: The AIM-54 Phoenix missile - Technology, History and Performance - #388 by MythicPi
Under M2.0 12000m altitude launch conditions, the AIM-54C peaks out at ~M4.42.
There is never a situation in WT where the AIM-54C will reach M5.0+.
You’d actually be lucky to ever get it much above M3.0 ingame, after which it will rapidly start losing speed following motor burnout.
The only people that die to AIM-54’s in WT are people who managed to fly right into a missile despite a vast expense of sky devoid of them.
At any range the R-27ER can be launched in WT, it will outspeed the AIM-54 and hit its target first if launch conditions were nearly identical.
If it helps ive got a couple suggestions pending for the P.1154 in both JS and RN versions
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ngl it is pretty easy to die to phoenixes in aircraft with extremely weak RWRs like the MiG-21. Also, they can be quite hard to deal with if you get a map like Rocky Pillars with extreme fog
Easiest way to defeat pheonixes is just positionnally. We know about when they’ll be fired since theyre literal dead weight sub 20km in-game, so just adjusting position to defend against them prior to even getting an RWR warning.
I recommend learning to do this before scariwr fox 3’s that arent modelled so fking terribly are added in-game, cuz atm the AIM-54’s are the baby mode tutorial section of ARH’s. You can take 30sec-1min per game for a positional adjustment that doubles as defending AIM-54’s and you’ll never be hit by one.
I know how to avoid Phoenixes in general gameplay. However when I’m flying the Lazur-M there is no real way to tell what exactly is locking me and where it’s coming from.
Both that and the Rocky Pillars situation are most likely not gonna be a problem in the future top tier, as the planes in that BR range will all have sufficiently capable RWRs
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