Currently gaijin couldn’t come to a conclusion after F-4M Phantom FGR.2 might consider new fighter toptier 12.7 BR in rank VIII from Royal Air Force (RAF) or Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF)
or Indian Air Force (IAF)
I expect gajin add supersonic Multirole fighter 12.7 BR
Tornado GR.4 great interdictor/Strike aircraft toptier rank 8 but guidance infrared Air-to-Air Missile not full options
I guess could add ASRAAM Block I on Tornado GR.4 Q1 or Q3 2024
After flying the British Phantom, I am even more convinced of the need for the EAP or F-14K, simply for some sort of SARH carrying aircraft that isn’t utterly terrible.
The Spey Phantoms and especially the F-4J(UK) are pretty lacklustre, but I gotta be honest, the Tornado is fine as a SARH slinger, especially with the SuperTEMPs
Still wouldn’t mind seeing an alternative for all the people that don’t vibe with the Tornado
I honestly find the Phantoms and the Tornado to be about on-par. Tornado is a little faster after mach I think.
To be fair both are pretty eh. I can use the Spey Phantom but I just don’t enjoy it, even when I kill things like F-16’s its just not so rewarding because I spend 90% of my time trying to figure out how to kill a blatantly better aircraft.
So you might expect gaijin add new air superiority fighter or Multirole fighter aircraft toptier 12.3 or 12.7 close to 5 multirole fighter from 5 countries this year ?
Maybe its just me, but I’m performing much better in the Tornado. The Phantoms has a comparatively low flare count, weaker Skyflashes, AIM-9Gs and a worse radar.
I honestly prefer the Tornados flight model, but I can see how it would be a turn off to the point of off-setting the improvements the Tornado offers over the Phantoms
Same here
I am prepared to be disappointed, watching the US and Russia get their beloved F-15s and Su-27s to hunt down our poor British tornado :(
It would be very typical for gaijin to add F-15s and Su-27s already, but I actually don’t see them getting added in december
The only upside to this is I get closer to the Chinese top-tier now too, so when the Su-27 and the J-11 get released, I’ll be able to unlock and use both!
I provided data on the weapon available on the TEJAS MK1.
From what i saw, the Tejas only equiped the base version of the R-77 missile.
So that’s why i putted it on the comparaison.
I was wrong about the R-73, indeed it equip the R-73M.
True but the TEJAS never equiped it.
Indian never bougth the R-77-1, only the base R-77
So for the R-73M we’ve got:
Max range: 40km
Max maneuvrability : 60G with TVC
Seeker: MK-80M with 2-element. 60° Gimbal limit before launch, 75° Gimbal limit after launch.
A test launch at mach .6 at 7600m hitting a target approaching mach .8 and 3050m 28km away .(Up to 15km when ground launched).
For more information:
Or you can ask ofekk213 who is a specialist on Israeli stuff and missile.
“In excess of 25km” is clearly stated on the website.
Ask Fireball_2020 for more info or source of this image
They said the British phantoms were performing satisfactorily. That doesn’t necessarily mean they are performing equal to the American phantoms.
They never comment on why the British premium phantom is made so much worse than the American, whilst being the same price and BR. You think they could buff the Skyflash or something to compensate.
I would temper your expectations. I think Sea Harrier/Tornado CSP is basically guaranteed.
So, what you are trying to tell me is that gaijin is gonna reduce the F-4J and F-4S to 11.0
Haha, that’s more likely than the British ones going down I guess.
If their statistical analysis model can take two premium jets, where one is clearly superior on paper, and say that they are equal, then there is something clearly wrong with the model. 7Fs are better than Skyflash in virtually every meaningful aspect. Then there is the fact they can carry six, and their IR missile is better.
I can’t imagine how depressing it will be using a Tornado at 12.3+ with zero a2g capability.
I’m personally on the South African Gripen cope train, but out of the two mentioned Tornado CSP would be the far, FAR more preferable option. Sea Harrier would just be awful. If it was the introductory vehicle for AMRAAMs it might have had one patch of relevance, but we know AMRAAMs and similar missiles will be rolled out at the same time for every nation.
i would love gripen but if britian gets something mid ill just die
More than 25 does not mean 50 km …
Most experts agree ASRAAM air launched range is likely around 40-50 KM, the manufacturer says in excess of 50km primarily for the obvious tactical reasons you’d expect, it also functions as a range extender for the IRST.
although we might as well temper our expectations of it as despite the fact that it should be a better R27ET, it will probably be the worst top tier IR missile, using the official public figures its range would only be 5km above that of IRIS-T and AIM-9X making it nearly useless as IRIS-T had DIRCM AND Thrust vectoring.
So i’m sure Gaijin will have it pull half as hard, with just 20% more range, which on short range IR missiles, is not that much.
If we don’t get a decent fighter i’m pretty done, we will also have one of the worse versions of Eurofighter wvr due to ASRAAM having less pull than IRIS-T and the manufacturer officially only states that it has 5km more range that IRIS-T and AIM-9X, so that makes it near worthless. In BVR Italy’s Tranche 4 will be as good, whilst also using IRIS-T so Italy will have the best Eurofighter, particularly if they give Germany and Italy Brimstone.
We know Gaijin they won’t give it the estimated 50km of range.
The other option could possibly be P3I ASRAAM to compete with BLK 1 AIM-9X but I can’t find anything saying it was actually built, but if it was it used a universal ASRAAM mount so British aircraft could’ve used it if it had served a purpose doctrinally.
It’s still a larger missile with more propellant.