should this be implemented
- yes
- maybe
- no
As many people argue over the fact that brimstones will be too OP if mmV is added, many other munitions are constantly added… lets talk about that
Schindibee: “It was explained explicitly when the Brimstone was added to WT that the functionality you mention was not added because of balance reason. So not really a bug, but a decision about that guidance mechanic.”
what? the millimetric wave function, fair enough but why can’t we get a compromise like many other munitions like the MITL weapons or the Fiber Optic weapons
lets see some reasons why the fact that both the devs and community saying how there would just be a spam of brimstones is being hypocritical (no offence dont ban me <3)
№1 The GBU-59 "stormbreaker… 20x
GBU-59 "stormbreaker
The F15E (and the new F-15EX and IA) is capable of bringing 20x of these stormbreakers, The community constantly argue that:
Support claim: u/Careless_Scarcity_73
I see no reason, at the current moment, to not give the Brimstones their fire and forget ability
counter claim: u/powerpuffpepper & u/peaxto
“I see no reason why we shouldn’t have 18 fire and forget missiles on one of the best top tier platforms in the game”
Reworded it for you.
“I see no reason why we shouldn’t have 18 fire and forget missiles that are immune to smoke and can independently target different enemies without ever having seen them on one of the best top tier platforms in the game”
however yet there are 8 vehicles that can hold these stormbreakers, 7 of which only hold 8… much like the Eurofighter typhoon with SPICE-250’s however if something aka The F-15E can hold 20 glide IR bombs at once that have a much higher chance of killing a target than a Brimstone, why can’t the brimstone get its Fire and Forget feature… even if its not mmV just TV guidance or IR to be generous… (not happening knowing Gaijin)
even then 10 vehicles get access to the Brimstone with the Eurofighter typhoon getting the most (18), so Great Britain wouldn’t get the largest straw when this would be implemented, you know what, this is starting to get boring arguing with the storm breakers…
№2 fire and forget missiles, on helicopters
Helicopters
only 5 helicopters get the AGM-179 IR “Hellfire” and only 1 gets the LMUR “Izdeliye 305”
but only does china gets 2 helicopters that have fire and forget AGM’s, the AH-64E, with hellfire’s, and the
Z-10ME, with the CM-502KG and the Blue Arrow 11… so not only does China get 2 separate helicopters with 16x F&F munitions, one of the helicopters gets 2 different missiles, yes one of them has a limit of 8 however I think my point is proven
munitions
a very large point is that 18x Brimstones are too OP, there would just be spam, guess what, helicopters can do the exact same thing and also be very hard to hit with ARH missiles, yes they are very vulnerable to SACLOS SPAA like the FlaRakRad, Pantsir S-1/SM-SV, ADATS, FK-2000, but they can just take cover behind a cliff or hill, planes can do the same, just not as easily, is my point starting to be proven… probably not but that’s called denial
OH AND UPDATE MITL IS ADDED SO YAY ONLY AWARE AA PLAYERS CAN COUNTER IT BROOOOOOO
№2.5 Jets are denied, helicopters are blessed*
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can a helicopter hover… no kidding sherlock, can a plane hover… yes but bad with most munitions, ok so what am i on about, im on that helicopters can ripple 18x missiles and dive behind cover and rearm while jets have a constant problem of:
- Fox-3 inbound
- Constantly moving at low altitude (if not low altitude then high and being careful for SPAA)
- airfield is all the way over there
helicopters on the other hand:
- aware SPAA with SACLOS
- incoming brimstone
- incoming jet to do a fly-by and vaporise
yes there are not exactly any defences for these unless DIRCM works against laser idk… don’t ask me
in short helicopters are more capable in CAS on paper, and yet they are given 16x f&f missiles (or 8 very good missiles…) and only one nation has a very good counter
I’m not saying russian bias HOWEVER, britain gets the ADATS (M113), no gun, just 8 decent missiles, then we get the sky sabre, good missiles however a grind in a half to get… oh did i mention the only random SPAA britain gets is the ADATS, russia gets the pantsir S-1… ARE YOU SERIOUS not only that but lets look at all nations as this is a discussion
USA: ADATS or XM975
Germany: FlaRakRad or FlaRakPz 1
UK: ADATS
Japan: Type 81 (C)
china: HQ-17 (Tor M-1)
France: ITo 90M
Italy: OTOMATIC
sweden: ITo 90M
Isreal: Machbet
Russia… 2S6 tunguska, Pantsir S1, Tor M-1
brotha
ok then I think we may have shown some details to why Great Britain has been shafted in war thunder, now lets look at some details I have found
Variants Of the Brimstone
before I continue obviously many comments are going to arouse of how modern some of these variants are so just remember how the T-90M and the SEP V3 and Ajax are approximately 2020’s
The Brimstone (2005)
almost the same as what we have in-game, IRL however solely relying on mmV seeker, range on aircraft of 12-20 km
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Dual-mode Brimstone (DMS) (2008)
The brimstone variant that was based on for the SAL (semi-active laser) mode that was added in-game, this was done in 2008 during the Afghanistan war as civilian and friendly forces were in proximity to each other requiring no mmV mistakes
Brimstone 2 (2016)
introduced an upgraded modular airframe, and enhanced guidance software, newer IM motor, improved seeker and a better range of over 200% with a max range of 40-60+ km
Brimstone 3 (2019)
main upgrade was the capability for Surface-to-surface launch capabilities with the ability to be mounted on the Supacat HMT600 Wolfram, Ajax and boxer variants
maritime Brimstone “Sea Spear” (2013)
a navalized version of the brimstone designed to destroy swarms of fast inshore attack craft (FIAC) with a 16kg payload capacity
SPEAR 3 (2026?)
A developmental, clean-sheet cruise missile derivative built heavily on Brimstone technology. It incorporates a turbojet engine, swarm AI logic, and a vastly extended air-launched standoff range of up to 130 km
a conclusion
now then after all that there are obviously going to be people saying how Brimstones are still to OP, heck you may never even read this because 90% of my posts get removed instantly but that doesn’t matter, the point stands that the developers are ignoring us UK mains and giving other countries the best of the best, well then I guess there are some options we have
№1: The Sea Spears can use a sea radar on the typhoons or tornado
№2: a compromise of TV guidance is given
№2.5: even if the devs say no to that then a perfect GNSS capability should be balanced
№2.75: even if that’s not added because spamming the enemy spawn in GRB, then the feature is disabled in certain game modes like the upcoming cluster bombs
№3: the AESA variant of the typhoon gets the modern brimstones but not things like the FGR.4 and tornado’s idk don’t blame me i.e the FGR.4 can get the Sea spear and the DMS brimstone while the AESA gets the SPEAR 3 and brimstone 2 & 3 (other vehicles like the JAS-39E idk same as the AESA ig)
P.S @Miraz05 thanks for reminding me
the LOAL GCS-1 bomb is being added and a point Gaijin made was the team killing possibilities with LOAL… make that what you will
and now we have a new update… THERE ARE 18x GCS-1 LOAL guided bombs now… again proving the point of gaijin saying how
autonomous lock on after launch brimstones would lead to friendly fire increasing… not adding
so developers whats happening then, next major after eagle’s shadow?
(which the UK is being completely overshadowed this update)
so Update, i guess the community is so broken between this discussion that it would just cause even more arguments, as the thread can show, why is this, i don’t know, all im wishing and many of us is something that gives great britain something that has an edge to rival countries
please devs… even just air game-modes