Brimstone Missiles

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I’d like to talk about the new Brimstone Missiles that have been announced for the Tornado GR4 strike jet coming to the game.

Now Gaijin has chosen to not give them the mmW seeker for the sake of balance. Now I do agree with this change, however the reasoning and the way it was adjusted are the topic of discussion today.

First Gaijins reasoning.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with this particular reason, in fact I agree with it completely. LOAL is a mechanic far too strong for the current game and I feel some degree of LOS should be needed in the current game state.

HOWEVER Reason 2 is the problem
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This reason, falls apart at the first hurdle because as it stands at top tier the 2 most prominent A2G weapons both create this very problem they claim to want to avoid.

The AGM-65D and G mavericks can easily engage outside of the 12km effective range of most SPAA (barring the pantsir), however in their defense they’re slow and easy to shoot down for the best SPAA at top tier. however, the KH38 does not suffer this issue.

The KH38 between the missiles own parameters and the targeting camera available to the Su-25SM3, can easily engage from well beyond 18 kilometers (thats beyond the effective range of even the best SPAA in the game the pantsir which it rarely fights) not to mention there’s 2 versions of the KH38. The 38L will give tanks with an LWS a notification so that they may laser to avoid it, problem is the KH38s blast radius is so massive even if you smoke against it unless you’re long gone it will still kill most vehicles. The KH38T meanwhile gives you NO warning and no room to combat it either as SPAA or as a Tank.

Now once again I do agree the mmW seeker is too strong to add into the game as it is more accurate than a TV or IR guided seeker, and can see through smoke.

My solution?
Give the Brimstones an IR seeker head. Ahistorical accuracy is not a counter argument here as the weapon has already been modeled ahistorically, as the FnF mmW seeker is the main reason behind this weapons design. So for the sake of the integrity of this weapons identity, an IR seeker that can be switched to SAL would allow the identity to be retained while allowing this weapon to actually be competitive in the game state. or alternatively model them like SPIKES…

Alternatively, if this change is deemed unacceptable due to ahistoric reasons… then just remove the plane entirely from the game. There is no reason to add these weapons to the game if you wont model the weapons sole defining trait for “reasons”

That’s like going to buy a car and it’s missing the engine. But these are simply my thoughts you’re free to share yours and I do hope gaijin considers some kind of rework because this problem will affect not just the GR4 but also all future Brimstone users.

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It’s a British system and only Britain use it.

I agree with the justification it needed to come with a compromise of being a fnf missile “mini maverick” Instead they removed what made it unique put it on one of the poorest performing airframes in game and said there you go Britain.

At the same time they added a Su-34 and F-15E with more egregious weapon systems

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Everyone agrees that Lock After Launch would be broken. But why do people say the mmW Radar seeker will be broken? The only advantage is that the Radar can see through smoke, but since 95% of the time you only know youve even been targeted when you are hit. You dont have smoke deployed. So it will be the exact same in a regular match as spikes with their IR seekers.

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it could solve problems by just giving it the same search and lock moder as the KH-38. But gaijin didnt do that… by the way Su34 could use her radar search ground targets now but AH64D cant search ground targets by its Longbow radar XD

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Keep mmW seeker, don’t implement LOAL. Having the higher accuracy and being able to go through smoke shouldn’t be an issue as there’s so many Russian vehicles already do this with little counter. Also, surely Brimstones should be easier to counter as SPAA because they should give off a bigger RADAR signature because of the mmW? They fly slowly too so they could just be shot down by SPAA like we already do with Mavericks.

I think the only issue is the LOAL where they can change target after launch, just don’t implement this part of the missile. I’m not sure if the Brimstones are designed to reacquire the same target if it gets obscured and comes back into view, but this shouldn’t be a problem as people can just hide behind buildings like they do with Mavericks or Spikes. Whenever I see someone die to a Maverick or Spike my first move is to get behind cover like buildings or trees.

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The one has only W on his keyboard: no plz delete all FnF missiles XD