BR Overhaul of US Medium Tanks

Machinery of War Discussion
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Im going to include also the correct penetration figures:

M4A1 - 3.3BR
M72 AP - 112mm @ 0m (0) / 45mm @ 0m (60)
M61 APCBC - 91mm @ 0m (0) / 37mm @ 0m (60)

M4 - 3.7BR
M72 AP - 112mm @ 0m (0) / 45mm @ 0m (60)
M61 APCBC - 91mm @ 0m (0) / 37mm @ 0m (60)

M4A2 - 4.0BR
M72 AP - 112mm @ 0m (0) / 45mm @ 0m (60)
M61 APCBC - 91mm @ 0m (0) / 37mm @ 0m (60)

M4A1 (76) - 4.7BR
M79 AP - 160mm @ 0m (0) / 64mm @ 0m (60)
M62 APCBC - 133mm @ 0m (0) / 52mm @ 0m (60)

M4A2 (76) - 5.0BR
M79 AP - 160mm @ 0m (0) / 64mm @ 0m (60)
M62 APCBC - 133mm @ 0m (0) / 52mm @ 0m (60)

M4A3 (76) - 5.3BR
M79 AP - 160mm @ 0m (0) / 64mm @ 0m (60)
M62 APCBC - 133mm @ 0m (0) / 52mm @ 0m (60)
M93 APCR - 225mm @ 0m (0) / 54mm @ 0m (60)

T23E - 5.7BR
M79 AP - 160mm @ 0m (0) / 64mm @ 0m (60)
M62 APCBC - 133mm @ 0m (0) / 52mm @ 0m (60)
M93 APCR - 225mm @ 0m (0) / 54mm @ 0m (60)

M4/T26 - 6.0BR
M77 AP - 191mm @ 0m (0) / 78mm @ 0m (60)
M82 APCBC (E) - 161mm @ 0m (0) / 63mm @ 0m (60)

T25 - 6.0BR
M77 AP - 191mm @ 0m (0) / 78mm @ 0m (60)
M82 APCBC (E) - 161mm @ 0m (0) / 63mm @ 0m (60)

M26 - 6.3BR
T33 APBC - 165mm @ 0m (0) / 81mm @ 0m (60)
M82 APCBC (L) - 174mm @ 0m (0) / 67mm @ 0m (60)
M304 APCR - 315mm @ 0m (0) / 75mm @ 0m (60)

M46 - 6.7BR
M318 APBC - 200mm @ 0m (0) / 81mm @ 0m (60)
M82 APCBC (L) - 174mm @ 0m (0) / 67mm @ 0m (60)
M332 APCR - ???mm @ 0m (0) / ???mm @ 0m (60)

M47 Patton - 7.3BR
M318A1 APBC - 222mm @ 0m (0) / 88mm @ 0m (60)
M332 APCR - ???mm @ 0m (0) / ???mm @ 0m (60)
M348 HEAT - 305mm @ 0m (0) / 152mm @ 0m (60)

M48A1 - 7.3BR
M318A1 APBC - 222mm @ 0m (0) / 88mm @ 0m (60)
M332 APCR - ???mm @ 0m (0) / ???mm @ 0m (60)
M348 HEAT - 305mm @ 0m (0) / 152mm @ 0m (60)

M48A3 - 7.7BR
M318A1 APBC - 222mm @ 0m (0) / 88mm @ 0m (60)
M332 APCR - ???mm @ 0m (0) / ???mm @ 0m (60)
M431 HEAT - 320mm @ 0m (0) / 160mm @ 0m (60)

M60 - 8.0BR
M392 APDS
M393 HESH
M456 HEAT

M60A1 (AOS) - 8.3BR
M728 APDS
M393 HESH
M456 HEAT

M60A1 RISE - 8.7BR
M735 APFSDS - 312mm @ 0m (0) / 182mm @ 0m (60)
M393 HESH - 127mm @ 0m (0) / 127mm @ 0m (60)
M456 HEAT - 400mm @ 0m / 200mm @ 0m (60)

M60A3 TTS - 9.0BR
M774 APFSDS - 353mm @ 0m (0) / 206mm @ 0m (60)
M393 HESH - 127mm @ 0m (0) / 127mm @ 0m (60)
M456 HEAT - 400mm @ 0m / 200mm @ 0m (60)

MBT-70 - 9.3BR
XM578E1 APFSDS
M409A1 HEAT
MGM-51C ATGM

M1 - 10.0BR**
M774 APFSDS - 353mm @ 0m (0) / 206mm @ 0m (60)
M393 HESH - 127mm @ 0m (0) / 127mm @ 0m (60)
M456 HEAT - 400mm @ 0m / 200mm @ 0m (60)

IPM1 - 10.3BR
M833 APFSDS - 396mm @ 0m (0) / 231mm @ 0m (60)
M393 HESH - 127mm @ 0m (0) / 127mm @ 0m (60)
M456 HEAT - 400mm @ 0m / 200mm @ 0m (60)

M1A1 - 10.7BR
M829 APFSDS - 453mm @ 0m (0) / 265mm @ 0m (60)
M830 HEAT - 480mm @ 0m (0) / 240mm @ 0m (60)

M1A1HA - 11.0BR
M829 APFSDS - 453mm @ 0m (0) / 265mm @ 0m (60)
M830 HEAT - 480mm @ 0m (0) / 240mm @ 0m (60)

M1A1HC - 11.7BR
M829A1 - 600mm @ 0m (0) / 350mm @ 0m (60)
M830 HEAT - 480mm @ 0m (0) / 240mm @ 0m (60)
M830A1 HEAT

M1A2 Baseline - 11.7BR
M829A1 - 600mm @ 0m (0) / 350mm @ 0m (60)
M830 HEAT - 480mm @ 0m (0) / 240mm @ 0m (60)
M830A1 HEAT

M1A2 SEP V1 - 12.0BR
M829A2 - 638mm @ 0m (0) / 373mm @ 0m (60)
M830 HEAT - 480mm @ 0m (0) / 240mm @ 0m (60)
M830A1 HEAT

Note:
T-80BVM etc would also be 12.0BR

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Some are decent change ideas because in no world should a panzer 4H be at a lower br than M4A2

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I never said i agreed with Panzer IV battle ratings to begin with :)

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yeah but thats my point id like the idea of the M4A2 being at the same br as the panzer 4H

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Panzer IV F.2 - 3.7BR
PzGr.39 APCBC - 135mm @ 0m (0) / 52mm @ 0m (60)

Panzer IV G - 4.0BR
PzGr.39 APCBC - 135mm @ 0m (0) / 52mm @ 0m (60)

Panzer IV J - 4.0BR
PzGr.39 APCBC - 143mm @ 0m (0) / 55mm @ 0m (60)

Panzer IV H - 4.3BR
PzGr.39 APCBC - 143mm @ 0m (0) / 55mm @ 0m (60)

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M4A3 (76) - 5.0BR
M79 AP - 160mm @ 0m (0) / 64mm @ 0m (60)
M62 APCBC - 133mm @ 0m (0) / 52mm @ 0m (60)
M93 APCR - 225mm @ 0m (0) / 54mm @ 0m (60)

Given the M4A3 (76) is already good at 5.7, this is in my opinion ridiculous.

M46 - 6.7BR
M318 APBC - 200mm @ 0m (0) / 81mm @ 0m (60)
M82 APCBC (L) - 174mm @ 0m (0) / 67mm @ 0m (60)
M332 APCR - ???mm @ 0m (0) / ???mm @ 0m (60)

The M46 at 6.7?
The M26 is already a great 6.3 medium tank. The M46 fixes the biggest issue of the M26 which is mobility, while also having a good improvement in firepower. It is already great at 7.0, it going lower makes little to no sense.

Panzer IV H - 4.3BR
PzGr.39 APCBC - 143mm @ 0m (0) / 55mm @ 0m (60)

And at just 0.4 higher you get the M4A1 (76) which is basically objectively better than the Pz.IV H. Better armor, specifically in the turret, a .50 cal, stabilizer, and overall better mobility.

Oh yeah, also:

T23E - 5.3BR

Which T23E. There’s quite a few.

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Gaijin uses their own formula for determining penetration. So documentation is pointless.

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M46 is 7.0 with M348 HEAT
I meant 6.7 without it.

if People in Panther at same BR cant roll M4A3’s, thats L2P issue.

But let me update those shermans again on my list

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t20 should also probs go back to 5.7