SO.4050 Vautour IIA/IIN (Israel)-Air RB9.0→8.7~8.3

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That’s actually the main thing iirc lol. Shafrir is a girthier missile, making it slower to accelerate and quicker to lose speed. The Aim-9D also has some really favorable drag stats giving it some really nice range. Best way to see for yourself is the earlier mentioned Ayit. It has a bigger warhead too, so that’s nice, but it’s more than what’s necessary for most fighters

The Aim-9D is quite the flare resistant missile for what it is. It can go through flares on some of the hotter planes, while the Shafrir and all earlier missile are unable to make it through a single flare on some of the more hotter targets.Although if we’re comparing these missiles at this lower BR it doesn’t matter since most are flareless after all

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I am an extremely experienced player. I say this as a reference to why I can say what I’m about to say. Every single non-IRCCM missile in this game is a 1 flare. I do not understand where people get this idea that this or this irccm missile is flare resistant. You can say a 9J is more flare resistant than the R-60. The 9J, 99% of the time, will still go for the first flare fired.

But yes:

The problem is you are putting missiles that auto-kill any flareless jet at 9.0 facing korean era jets.

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I think Vautour airframe is worst than f9f and seahawk. Also aim9b isnt that hard to dodge anyway, any jet can easily dodge it.

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It’s not.

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Before suggesting lowering a plane in BR, consider how the lower BR planes can, or cannot, deal with that plane, then realize that it’s better to send everything around that plane upwards instead. Those supersonics you mentioned in the OP? send them up instead. And to consider those planes, send everything above them higher too.

Ideally, I think bombers at jet tiers should die if an opponent takes an interception path towards them, and if it’s a straight chase, the bomber, if unmaneuverable, should be able to escape with speed. This would give a fighting chance to everyone.

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Add to this list.
@lanthth

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Just bring down the French ones

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Why

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Br ause they are bad and useless at their current BR.

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And the identical Israeli ones aren’t?

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Good 4050 is about the same performance as a f9f8 in a dogfight with its energy

Let’s say 8.7 if top speed would work, 8.3 if the turn is bad enough

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Idk what you’re saying

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Ive flown both vautours and the saar, and the vautour is genuinely the better plane, I can’t express into words just how abysmally dogshit the saar truly is, you will struggle against an a4e early in a dogfight.

the opposite! the vautour can move and its got excellent speec and acceleration.

nah, the vautour IIN at 8.0 would be ridiculous, its already very strong at 8.3.

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Scimitar? G.91s?

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ngl I had a brainfart and forgot about the g.91, the scimitar is basically unplayed though

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Scimitar is really good at 8.7 if you play it right

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sure but never played

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yeah running away and being a nuisance and baiting people into stalling themselves out, wow amazing way to play the game.

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its just a bnz jet? why so dramatic?

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I’d say the Scimitar is better than the 9.0 Vautours with no AAMs.