cuz gaijoob, honestly i dont feel it needs a change in BR but a proper fix of the armor and aps
Yes fixing the PUMA is great asking for its BR to be reduced isn’t. Thats where the direct comparison came from we all want the vehicles in game to match or be as close to real world performance.
The other IFVs at 10.0 (excluding the hilariously under BRd Russian ones) are pretty much inferior to the PUMA.
A 30mm autocannon pens most things in the side armour. Something the IFVs armed with 25mm cant reliably do.
It does mean that you haven’t experienced it, so your knowledge on it is limited to what you’ve seen or heard.
It far surpasses the Bradley, Dardo and Desert Warrior, in every metric.
Fire-rate; no.
Firepower (does it have ATGMs? no); therefore no.
its more armoured it has a 30mm
Okay, now show me the difference between their performances and how their armors compare against the most used type of ordnances at 10.0 (APFSDS).
As always though you are just a troll.
You come in here, tell us a tank you have never played is “fine”, and then you call me a troll. Are you actually a child or what? Because at this point irony can’t be lost on you, it has gone missing on you.
At this point I could just start telling you that CR 2 is fine and it’s a sniping tank therefore it doesn’t need to be buffed, fixed and that you should just use its gun-depression when you have the opportunity and I’d sound just as absurd you did back there.
A 30mm autocannon pens most things in the side armour. Something the IFVs armed with 25mm cant reliably do.
Ah yes, 20mm of penetration, huge difference.
So, let me ask you, what is your basis for this statement? Like, have you carried out tests to see whether it is truthful or not? Have you done anything of the sort to fact-check yourself? I doubt.
Here’s my two cents;
It literally doesn’t matter, both 25mm and 30mm will perforate any NATO MBT into the side, and both will struggle against Soviet MBTs.
Sincerly, an owner of the M3A3 and the Puma, I actually know how both perform, and I’d suggest that you grind Germany in order to actually familiarize yourself with what is being discussed, rather than coming in blind and yapping a whole lot of nonsense.
Thats where the direct comparison came from we all want the vehicles in game to match or be as close to real world performance.
I never even said Puma should go down, I said its capabilites are blown out of proportion by the people who don’t have them for the BR they are at (you’re a perfect example of that), which is true, apart from hull-down survivability, they don’t really have anything going for them, but neither do other IFVs (apart from the BMP-2M tbf).
Do quit assuming I share the same opinion as others here, thanks.
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that will be very satisfying
tornado assta is another problem, air RB with same weapon in 11.7 while the premium one in 11.3
then maybe they need to be looked at too? Maybe the Dardo (VCC 80/30) with 30mm Hitfist turret should be better comparisson. PUMA has slightly better hp/t +3, then the VCC. Dart has 5 mm less pen then PUMA. It does however get the TOW’s, which compared to the Bradley can be fired immediately after stopping no launcher deployment.
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Dardo is pretty cool. I can honestly say I like driving it over the Puma.
I don’t see why both can’t go down, the Dardo was much nicer to play when it was a bit lower but it still functions fine. The real issue right now is the horrible state of 10.3(and Italy always being matched with the US)
Yes, they do. i’m not too familiar with it but maybe buff the topdown attack ATGM on the bradley, lower its br(s) slightly and they’d be pretty good
i like how people got no problem with the PUMA but with the 2S38 is Heresy wanting it to be buffed
maybe because the puma can’t penetrate literally every toptier MBT frontally while at br 10.0?
The litterly got a 30-60 pen Diffirence at the Puma at 160 and the 2S38 at around 200
2s38 has 225mm pen with a 57mm APFSDS while the puma has 121mm of pen with 30mm APFSDS darts, and spalls considerably less. Have you actually played either vehicle, fought them or are you just here to troll?
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Plus, it gets an HE-VT round which is considerably better than the PUMA’s AHEAD round
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30-60 pen difference? its a whole 104 mm of penetration difference not only 30 or 60, you havent even seen a gameplay of any of them for the looks of it
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Puma is a real vehicle, while 2s38 is a fairytale
not really the 2S38 its a completely functional vehicle just that info its pretty limited on it unlike the 2S38
go into your own thread for the bradley to complain about it in the bradley thread and if there is no thread make one this is a PUMA thread not a bradley thread
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imagine going into a Puma thread and seeing people complain about it and complain .
How about you just start a bradley thread?
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imagine talking about the Puma in a Puma thread
the heck did we do now, now we are at fault cuz of what lack of proper modeling from gaijin? that’s just straight up personal attack lol